Monday, November 19, 2007

Abbas' road to capitulation: Annapolis and beyond

The situation in Palestine continues to deteriorate, both on a political scale and humanitarian scale. The international blockade of Gaza and the continued illegal collective punishment of its residents by Israel has resulted in soaring food prices (eg. a bag of flour has risen from 80 shekels to over 200 shekels ie. A $23 to A $57). In addition, many foodstuffs, medicines and other goods, such as building material are no longer available. According to the United Nations Office for Coordination for Humanitarian Affairs in the Occupied Palestinian Territories there are zero stocks available for 91 drugs. Hospitals are reporting zero stock availability of pediatric drugs and anti-biotics, as well as a shortage in chronic disease drugs, cancer treatment drugs, a range of kidney dialysis drugs and IV glucose solution. In addition, there are also shortages of kidney dialysis machine equipment.

Fuel which is needed for just about everything, including cooking, running hospitals, schools, purifying, sterilising and pumping water, running garbage collection trucks, ambulances and much more is increasing scarce and expensive.

At the end of July, the General Director of the Democracy and Workers' Right Centre in Palestine gave testimony to the UN on the state of workers in Gaza. He outlined the mass closure of factories in the wood, clothing, food, construction and agricultural sectors, resulting in more than 80,000 workers losing their jobs. Since July, the situation has deteriorated, more factories have closed and more workers are now left without an income to feed their families. There is no social security system in Palestine, so workers are forced to rely on what little savings they may have and their families. Many turn to crime, while others engage in dangerous acts such as trying to collect scrap metal near no-go zones or try to enter Israel illegally, both of which often results in them being killed by the Israeli Occupation Forces (IOF).

Those workers still with jobs often continued to work for months without pay. Currently, municipal workers (mostly garbage collectors and street cleaners) in Gaza are striking for the fourth time, demanding back pay from February. Thousands of tonnes of refuse is now piling up on the street causing a major health hazard (combined with the lack of clean running water). UN agencies are reporting an increase in rates amongst children of diarrhea which can be fatal and the possibility of outbreaks of typhoid and hepatitis if the blockade is not lifted.

The closure of the border crossing has resulted in dozens of Palestinians in urgent need of medical treatment dying, including at least two terminally ill cancer patients were refused entry to Israel or Egypt by the Shin Bet (Israel's secret police). Dozens of other sick patients have also been denied access to hospitals in Israel, Egypt, Jordan and the West Bank.

The IOF continues to bomb and attack Gaza, killing Palestinians indiscriminately (in October alone more than 30 people were killed). However, Hamas is putting up a strong counter-attack. While the Israeli war machine is making almost daily invasions into the strip, their area of operation has been limited to around 3 kilometres on the ground. Hamas has been able to stage ambushes and counter-attacks, inflicting damage to the IOF, resulting destruction of military hardware and the loss of several IOF soldiers. According to Israeli journalist, Amos Harel, the IOF is reporting that they’re no longer facing an untrained guerilla force but that Hamas is now better equipped and trained and "fighting like an Army".

However, the blockade and political isolation is continuing to exert pressure on Hamas, resulting in Hamas aligned police shooting on a rally crowd during the anniversary of Arafat's death. Both Fatah and Hamas are blaming the other side for provoking the attack, with each claiming the other side shot first. The shooting resulted in at least 6 people being killed (early media reports stated that those killed belong both to both factions). The day following the shootings a general strike took place in Gaza. In response to the memorial day shootings, the ousted Palestinian Prime Minister and Hamas leader, Ismail Haniyeh has called for an inquiry into the events, while Fatah has sought to use the deaths of the Palestinians at the rally to further its factional war against Hamas.

Some veteran Israeli journalists such as Amira Hass are suggesting that Hamas is starting to lose control of the Gaza as a result of the shootings. However, while Hamas has come under extreme pressure and this pressure is beginning to take its toll, it should be noted that according to a number of experts on Hamas, there already a natural division between the political and armed wings of Hamas [1]. So while the Hamas leadership exerts a reasonable influence on the Izzidine Al Qassam brigades, the two wings in fact operate on the whole quite independently as a security precaution. As a result, the political wing is not always 100% in control of what its military wing does. This in the past has proven to be an effective security measure for Hamas, but in the current conditions this may actually undermine the political leadership of Hamas if they can not bring their military wing under more disciplined control.

However, the primary issue in relation to Hamas is how much has former Prime Minister, Ismail Haniyeh and other moderates been sidelined? Over the past 5 years, as a number of writers on Hamas have noted that Hamas has moved towards a more "moderate" position compared to their original 1988 charter [2].The question now is will the current political pressure that Hamas is under result in it returning to its former more hard line positions.

It is hard to tell at the moment whether this has happened. While there seems to be increasing statements coming from the hardline Hamas leaders, it is hard to tell whether this is because Haniyeh has been sidelined or it's a distortion due to the media blackout imposed on Hamas by Abbas.

Since June, Abbas’ regime have forcibly closed down any media outlets including newspapers they deem to be either affiliated with or sympathetic to Hamas. Abbas has also made it illegal for West Bank media outlets to broadcast speeches by Hamas or mention them. This has been applied more stringently to television and radio media, than print media. As a result, some media outlets such as Maan News, which is based in Bethlehem, have continued to report Hamas statements on their websites. However, when Maan's executive director broadcast an interview with a Hamas leader on the privately owned Amal TV station, he was immediately arrested. Maan News closed down its website in protest.

In the past few months, all around Ramallah there has appeared huge billboards posters of Abbas and Arafat. The idea is to try and invoke the memory of Arafat to try and bolster Abbas, who enjoys little real support amongst the Palestinian people (even amongst those loyal to Fatah). In many ways, the appearance of these billboards is a sign of the desperation within Abbas' leading circle. They know he can not win the support of the people himself, so they must invoke Arafat to try and justify his rule and actions.

In the past week, both Abbas and Fayyad have also sought to use the November 11 anniversary of Arafat’s death and the shootings in Gaza to step up pressure on Hamas. The anniversary was marked in Ramallah by the opening of a new Mosque and mausoleum built in the Moqata (Arafat's headquarters) to honour him, where Abbas gave a speech. During his speech, Abbas said about the Israeli occupation, instead condemning Hamas and projecting the Annapolis conference as a "new phase in the middle east". During the speech sections of the Fatah dominated crowd began chanting "Shi'a, Shi'a, Shi'a". While Fatah warlord and CIA collaborator, Mohammed Dahlan may have been ousted (temporarily) from power, this reveals he still has influence amongst many Fatah members. Palestinian media also reported that the same chants were used at the rally in Gaza before shooting started. In the days following the shootingsm at the rallies organised in Ramallah by Fatah and the PLO, the same sectarian chants could also be heard.

Prior to 2006, this sort of sectarianism didn’t exist amongst the Palestinian community, only beginning under the auspices of Dahlan in Gaza (no doubt with the tactic approval of Abbas). Hamas isn’t Shi’a, but Sunni like the rest of the Palestinian Muslim community. However, Dahlan tried to use it as a divide and rule tactic, hoping to isolate Hamas and tar them as being simply tools of the Iranian government and to promote sectarian fear amongst the Palestinian Sunni community. This tactic was furthered after the June emergency declaration by Abbas when he tried to equate Hamas with Al Qeda. While this may have pleased Israel and the US, most Palestinians know that Hamas isn’t in anyway like Al Qeda. Abbas soon stopped saying this because it became obvious that he was just making a fool of himself by pursuing such a line of rhetoric.

In the lead up to the Annapolis conference, Abbas and Fayyad are continuing to step up pressure on Hamas. There is much speculation in the Israeli and Palestinian media what the failure of the conference (they all expect it to fail) will mean in relation to Gaza and Hamas. Abbas will push hard to gain something from Annapolis (although he will win nothing) because he is aware that if he comes away empty handed that it will be very hard for him to continue to ignore Hamas and refuse to negotiate with them. Both sides are trying to play up that it will be real, but also playing down what will not be discussed. Olmert is under pressure from his government coalition partners, who are from the extreme anti-Arab right. While he wouldn’t have offer much, he will now not even make the pretense of offering anything as his coalition partners are threatening to walk even if Jerusalem is mentioned at the conference. As a result, there will not even be a pretense of trying to discuss the final status issues of Jerusalem, borders, settlements or refugees.

Abbas argues the conference will be real and they won’t concede anything. However, he and his coterie are already conceding an immense amount by attempting to dismantle the Palestinian resistance, refusing to reconcile with Hamas and establish national unity (the thing most wanted by the Palestinian population at the moment). Months of “photo op” discussions with Olmert have result in, as predicted, very little except for the release of a few hundred prisoners out of 11,000 languishing in Israel’s prisons. Most of those released had only months left of their prison terms and in meantime Israel continues to abduct and detain almost twice as many as they release.

Maan News in the past week posted an interview with the Abbas' appointed Prime Minister, Salaam Fayyad, who correctly identified that in relation to their agenda, what is actually more important is not Annapolis but bringing Nablus under PA control. Nablus has a long tradition of being the centre of Palestinian resistance to Zionism. It was one of the first areas to rise up in the 1936 Palestinian revolt, as well as during the first and second intifada. All the factions are represented there. If Abbas and Fayyad can bring Nablus under their control, they will have succeeded in capitulating fully to the US and Israel by all but destroying the Palestinian resistance in the West Bank (it should be noted that under international law, which Israel is a signatory too, an occupied people have the legal and legitimate right to armed resistance against occupation).

Both Abbas and Fayyad believe that if they succeed in disarming the Palestinian resistance they will be able to win concessions from the Israeli. This, however, as a number of writers, including former CIA analyst, Kathleen Christison, has pointed out is pure delusion on the behalf of Abbas and Fayyad .
As Christison noted in the wake of the June state of emergency, that while Abbas and his leadership are desperate to be seen as “moderate” and “reasonable”, there has never been any clear evidence that “Israel will never make meaningful territorial concessions to the Palestinians or even any real political concessions to Fatah, such as release of significant numbers of Palestinian prisoners” or that the US will pressure them to do [3] .

This has not stopped Abbas and Fayyad, however, in the past month seeking in Fayyad’s word’s "permission" from Israelis to increase the number of PA security forces in the West Bank. This has resulted in 300 newly trained PA security forces being deployed to Nablus, supposedly under the pretext of bringing the criminal gangs in Nablus under control. The reality, however, is that the purpose of the PA security forces is to bring the Palestinian resistance under control, disarm it and kill it off. This was confirmed on November 18 by a Fatah official from Nablus who stated that the PA was increasing its collaboration with Israel and that “Whatever the Israelis can not do, the (Palestinian) Authority comes to do it for them" [4] .

Within two days of the security forces arriving in Nablus, they besieged Balata refugee camp. A fight was put up by members of Al Aqsa Brigades and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP). Over the past few days, the PA security forces and IOF have once again attempted to go in and disarm the Palestinian resistance, this time in Ein Beit Al-Ma refugee camp (there are 3 refugee camps in Nablus), however, they are currently being held at bay by PFLP fighters. According to the November 18 Ynet article, Palestinian security sources confirmed that "through the operation PA forces were working to disarm the last traces of the PFLP's infrastructure in Nablus and the northern West Bank. Palestinian officials see the Nablus security plan's success as the key to the strengthening of the PA throughout the entire West Bank".

While the focus on the Israeli and international media has been on Hamas' transgressions in Gaza, such as the shootings at the rally, the arrest of Fatah members, attacks on journalists, they’ve failed to mentioned that Abbas and his regime have been systematically arresting and detaining Hamas members in the West Bank for months. Since the June, Fatah aligned PA security forces have detained and arrested without trail or charge at least 900 to 1000 Hamas members, many of whom are then handed over to Israel. In addition, they have continued to carry out brutal beatings and attack on other Hamas members, raid their offices and destroy them. They have also shut down at least 110 Hamas affiliated charities (many of whom provide aid to some of the poorest Palestinians) and arrested journalists who have reported Hamas speeches and statements. In Ramallah, the PA security forces stop and detain people at will. On a number of university's Fatah students have attacked Hamas students resulting in the death of at least one Hamas student.

Currently most of the other factions have opportunistically fallen in behind Fatah, as many see it as an opportunity to sideline Hamas. Many of the so-called Palestinian Left, who are dependent on salaries from the PA, while having staged rallies and spoken out against the excesses of Hamas and the Gaza take over, have failed to make any public statements or organise any activity in opposition to similar activity by Fatah and the Fatah dominated PA security forces. In addition, they have had little to say about the unconstitutional nature of not only the unelected Fayyad technocrat PA, the illegal decrees being issued by Abbas and the continued undermining of the democratically elected Palestinian Legislative.

As Palestinian feminist Majda Hassan noted recently, the Palestinian Left has taken "the opportunistic and unprincipled position taken by the right-wing "left" of the PLO vis-a-vis the current standoff between Hamas and Fatah". Hassan notes that instead of "harnessing all effort to fight the outcome of the Oslo Accord and instead of respecting the outcome of the 2006 elctions and forming a Unite Front with the party that won the election (Hamas) with a clear majority on a platform of resistance and reforms, the Left has, alas fallen in line with the undemocratic methods adopted by the controlling party (Fatah) and failed the historic test" [5]

In the wake of this failure by the Palestinian left and the ongoing brutal Israeli occupation of Palestine, the next few weeks after Annapolis will be a crucial time for the Palestinian liberation struggle. Whether or not Abbas and his regime will be able to continue as they have is in doubt, something which Israel, the US and even Abbas recognises himself. If Hamas can maintain control of its forces in Gaza and with stand the blockade a while longer, they continued to place themselves strategically in a good position. Abbas will not be able to continue to ignore them and will be forced to the negotiating table. Also if Fayyad and Abbas continue seek to actively disarm the resistance, this may result in pushing some of the other factions closer to Hamas, thus placing more pressure on Abbas and Fayyad. However, if Hamas are unable to keep control of its forces and starve of defeat in Gaza, they may well begin to revert to their former hardline positions rather than capitulate to the dictates of the US's favourite quisling in Ramallah.

Either way, if the failure to re-forge a united Palestinian liberation struggle continues, the biggest loser will, of course, once again will be the Palestinian people.

Footnotes:

1.See Hroub’s Hamas for Beginners and Tamimi’s Hamas: A history from within
2.see Amayreh's Hamas Debates the Future http://conflictsforum.org/briefings/Hamas-Debates-the-Future-monograph.pdf recently published on Conflicts Forum).
3.Christison, K., The siren song of Elliot Abrams, Counterpunch http://www.counterpunch.org/christison07262007.html
4. Waked, A., PA Security forces carry out mass arrests in Nablus, YNet, http://www.ynetnews.com/Ext/Comp/ArticleLayout/CdaArticlePrintPreview/1,2506,L-3472708,00.html
5. Hassan, M., The Osloisation of the Palestinian Left, Palestine Chronicle http://www.palestinechronicle.com/story-092007162357.htm).

49 comments:

Yishai Kohen said...

What lies beyond for the Philistines is the abyss. There will never be a Philistine state here in OUR land.

They would have had a state in 1937 with the Peel Plan, but they violently rejected it.

They would have had a state in 1948 with UN 181, but they violently rejected it (and actually claimed that the UN had no such mandate!).

They could have had a state in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza from 1948-1967 without any Jews- because the Arabs had ethnically cleansed every last one; but they violently rejected it. In fact, that's exactly when they established Fatah (1959) and thre PLO (1964).

They could have had a state after 1967, but instead, the entire Arab world issued the Khartoum Resolutions:

A. No peace with Israel
B. No recognition of Israel
C. No negotiations with Israel

They would have had a state in 2000 with the Oslo Accords, but they violently rejected it- as always.

No more. They won't have a state here, and if they don't stop their violence, they won't even exist here anymore. They will have to go to their own land; Jordan.

And you can take that to the bank- the EAST Bank.

Kim said...

Yishai... as usual, more ill informed blah, blah, blah....

At least try to get your historical facts straight. The Oslo Accords were 1993, not 2000. That was Camp David. And as Barak was later to state categorically in Israel's leading Hebrew daily, Yedioth Ahronoth, he offered the Palestinians absolutely nothing.

The so-called "generous" offer is a complete myth, something even Barak confirms. There was never an official or formal offer made in writing and all it consisted of was that Israeli would "think" about doing this or that (ie. no concrete actual offer to do anything) if the Palestinians gave up everyting.

What you can take to the bank (and any damn bank you like) is the Palestinians are not going away, they will not give up their land without a fight and they will still be here long after you have gone to your grave as an old person.

The Palestinians have lived on their land for thousands of years, a hundred years of Zionism has not got rid of them. They have continued to resist and will continue to resist despite their appalling bad leaderships. That you can absolutely count on.

The mighty have fallen before. Israel may have the might right now, but perhaps you should remember the story of David and Goliath and who won that encounter.... and in case you forgot, it wasn't the might army.

It was a boy armed with a stone against a mighty army (just like the Palestinians are armed with stones against the might of the Israeli army).

Kim said...

Yishai... as usual, more ill informed blah, blah, blah....

At least try to get your historical facts straight. The Oslo Accords were 1993, not 2000. That was Camp David. And as Barak was later to state categorically in Israel's leading Hebrew daily, Yedioth Ahronoth, he offered the Palestinians absolutely nothing.

The so-called "generous" offer is a complete myth, something even Barak confirms. There was never an official or formal offer made in writing and all it consisted of was that Israeli would "think" about doing this or that (ie. no concrete actual offer to do anything) if the Palestinians gave up everyting.

What you can take to the bank (and any damn bank you like) is the Palestinians are not going away, they will not give up their land without a fight and they will still be here long after you have gone to your grave as an old person.

The Palestinians have lived on their land for thousands of years, a hundred years of Zionism has not got rid of them. They have continued to resist and will continue to resist despite their appalling bad leaderships. That you can absolutely count on.

The mighty have fallen before. Israel may have the might right now, but perhaps you should remember the story of David and Goliath and who won that encounter.... and in case you forgot, it wasn't the might army.

It was a boy armed with a stone against a mighty army (just like the Palestinians are armed with stones against the might of the Israeli army).

Yishai Kohen said...

Kim,

Just because you can't understand English doesn't mean that I'm incorrect.

אם את מעדיפה, אנהל את הוויכוח בעברית. מתאים דווקא, כי שנינו נמצאים בארץ ישראל ועברית היא השפה של ארץ ישראל.

The Oslo Accords were signed in 1993 but the Philistines would have seen their state in 2000. Just like UN 181 was issued in 1947, but the Philistines would have had a state like Israel in 1948.

They chose war instead- as always. Oh well- nothing for them now.

Except for the boot.

As to your tired lies, those who were there call you on them:

"Don't Play With Maps", by Dennis Ross (Jan. 9, 2007)

In actuality, President Clinton offered two different proposals at two different times. In July, he offered a partial proposal on territory and control of Jerusalem. Five months later, at the request of Ehud Barak, the Israeli prime minister, and Mr. Arafat, Mr. Clinton presented a comprehensive proposal on borders, Jerusalem, Palestinian refugees and security. The December proposals became known as the Clinton ideas or parameters.

Put simply, the Clinton parameters would have produced an independent Palestinian state with 100 percent of Gaza, roughly 97 percent of the West Bank and an elevated train or highway to connect them. Jerusalem’s status would have been guided by the principle that what is currently Jewish will be Israeli and what is currently Arab will be Palestinian, meaning that Jewish Jerusalem — East and West — would be united, while Arab East Jerusalem would become the capital of the Palestinian state.

The Palestinian state would have been “nonmilitarized,” with internal security forces but no army and an international military presence led by the United States to prevent terrorist infiltration and smuggling. Palestinian refugees would have had the right of return to their state, but not to Israel, and a fund of $30 billion would have been created to compensate those refugees who chose not to exercise their right of return to the Palestinian state.

When I decided to write the story of what had happened in the negotiations, I commissioned maps to illustrate what the proposals would have meant for a prospective Palestinian state. If the Clinton proposals in December 2000 had been Israeli or Palestinian ideas and I was interpreting them, others could certainly question my interpretation. But they were American ideas, created at the request of the Palestinians and the Israelis, and I was the principal author of them. I know what they were and so do the parties.

It is certainly legitimate to debate whether President Clinton’s proposal could have settled the conflict. It is not legitimate, however, to rewrite history and misrepresent what the Clinton ideas were.

Indeed, since the talks fell apart, there has emerged a mythology that seeks to defend Mr. Arafat’s rejection of the Clinton ideas by suggesting they weren’t real or they were too vague or that Palestinians would have received far less than what had been advertised. Mr. Arafat himself tried to defend his rejection of the Clinton proposals by later saying he was not offered even 90 percent of the West Bank or any of East Jerusalem. But that was myth, not reality...

Yishai Kohen said...

Today's Palestinians are immigrants from many nations: "Balkans, Greeks, Syrians, Latins, Egyptians, Turks, Armenians, Italians, Persians, Kurds, Germans, Afghans, Circassians, Bosnians, Sudaneese, Samaritans, Algerians, Motawila, Tartars, Hungarians, Scots, Navarese, Bretons, English, Franks, Ruthenians, Bohemians, Bulgarians, Georgians, Syrians, Persian Nestorians, Indians, Copts, Maronites, and many others."
(DeHass, History, p. 258. John of Wurzburg list from Reinhold Rohricht edition, pp. 41, 69).

There are villages populated wholly by settlers from other portions of the Turkish Empire in the 19th century. There are villages of Bosnians, Circassians, and Egyptians.
-Parkes, James William, History of the Peoples of Palestine, Hammondsworth, Great Britain, 1970, p. 212.

There are very large contingents from the Mediterranean countries, especially Armenia, Greece, and Italy, Turkomen settlers, a fairly large Afghan colony, Motawila, immigrants from Persia, tribes of Kurds, a Bosnian colony, Circassian settlements, a large Algerian element, Sudanese...
-Encyclopedia Brittanica, 1911 ed.

[Ibrahim Pasha, the 1831 Egyptian conquerer of Palestine] "left behind him permanent colonies of Egyptians at Besian, Nablus, Irbid, Acre, and Jaffa. Into Jaffa alone, "at least 2,000 people have been imported."
-Ernst Frankenstein, Justice For My People, London, Nicholson and Watson, 1943, p. 127.

In 1860, entire Algerian tribes immigrated en masse to Safed. The Muslims of Safed, are "mostly descended from these Moorish settlers and from Kurds that came earlier to the city."
-De Haas, Jacob, History of Palestine, The Last Two Thousand Years, New York, 1934, p. 425.

"I learn of the arrival of about 6,000 of the Beni Sukhr Arabs at Tiberias who are very seldom seen this side of the Jordan."
-British Consul James Finn in apers Relating to the Distubances in Syria, no. 2, June 1860, p. 35.

After 1870, "the [Turkish] forward policy included...the planting of Circassian colonies in the country."
-Smith, CG in Studies on Palestine During the Ottoman Period, Jerusalem, 1975, p. 93.

"The Arabs would have sat in the dark forever had not the Zionist engineers harnessed the Jordan river for electrification. Now they swarm into Palestine in seeking the light."
- Winston Churchill, 1922 "A Peace to End All Peace"

"This illegal [Arab] immigration was not only going on from the Sinai, but also from Transjordan and Syria, and it is very difficult to make a case out for the misery of the Arabs if at the same time their compatriots from adjoining states could not be kept from going in to share that misery."
-Palestine Royal Commission Report, London: 1937

"So far from being persecuted, the Arabs have crowded into the country and multiplied until their population has increased more than even all world Jewry could lift up the Jewish population."
-Winston Churchill, 1939.

This is why such last names as al-Masri (the Egyptian,), al-Djazair (the Algerian), el-Mughrabi (the Moroccan), al-Yamani (the Yemenite) and even al-Afghani are so common among those claiming to be "Palestinians."

"There is no language known as Palestinian. There is no distinct Palestinian culture. There has never been a land known as Palestine governed by Palestinians. Palestinians are Arabs, indistinguishable from Jordanians (another recent invention), Syrians, Lebanese, Iraqis, etc. Keep in mind that the Arabs control 99.9 percent of the Middle East lands. Israel represents one-tenth of 1 percent of the landmass.

But that's too much for the Arabs. They want it all. And that is ultimately what the fighting in Israel is about today. Greed. Pride. Envy. Covetousness. No matter how many land concessions the Israelis make, it will never be enough."


Joseph Farah, Arab-American journalist, editor and CEO of WorldNet Daily

Yishai Kohen said...

The mighty fall, but the tiny, weak nation of Israel survives them ALL.

Allah wills it.

"For I will take you from among the nations, and gather you out of all the countries, and will bring you into your own land." (Ezekiel 36:24)

aranki said...

Zionists only need to listen to their own leader's comments to learn the truth. But no matter what Zionists do, deep inside they know that the Zionist project has failed and its child (Israel)is doomed. As a Palestinian I don't need an idiot to tell me that I do not belong in my forefather's land. My twin sons are the 19th generation that can be traced to Palestine, I'm sure that my DNA has more "Jewish" blood in it that the dependents of Ben-Gurion ever had. (see Journal axes gene research on Jews and Palestinians, The Observer Sunday November 25, 2001)

At any rate, the best and fastest end to the Zionists project is through "Peace" because Zionism can not survive in Peace. I remember a quote I read in the Zionist press (Haaretz) just after Oslo when everyone was optimistic for peace, the Zionists were busy defining "who is a jew" and tension was rising between the religious jews and the secular jews. One secular jew was quoted as saying " any good orthodox jew is a dead Orthodox jew"


The Quotes below should be reflected on by Zionists to understand why the general Arab Mases, not the sellout leaders will ensure the end of Israel. Actually although I'm a Christian Palestinian I do share Hamas's rejection of Israel so does 99.9% of the Arab and Muslim Worlds.

David Ben-Gurion, the creator of the state of Israel in 1948, was one of the most important leaaders of the Zionist movement in the last century. He built the Jewish military power (Haganah), and in 1948 created the state of Israel and read its declaration. From 1948 to 1963 (except for a short interval) served as Prime Minister & Defense Minister.

I have assembled below some quotes from Ben-Gurion hoping that they will help us understand what he thought and believed.


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"If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel . It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz , but was that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?"

David Ben-Gurion (the first Israeli Prime Minister): Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121.
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"Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves ... politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves... The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country. ... Behind the terrorism [by the Arabs] is a movement, which though primitive is not devoid of idealism and self sacrifice."
-- David Ben Gurion. Quoted on pp 91-2 of Chomsky's Fateful Triangle, which appears in Simha Flapan's "Zionism and the Palestinians pp 141-2 citing a 1938 speech.
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"We must do everything to insure they (the Palestinians) never do return.”

David Ben-Gurion, in his diary, 18 July 1948, quoted in Michael Bar Zohar's Ben-Gurion: the Armed Prophet, Prentice-Hall, 1967, p. 157.

Ben Gurion also warned in 1948: Assuring his fellow Zionists that Palestinians will never come back to their homes: “The old will die and the young will forget."
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"We should prepare to go over to the offensive. Our aim is to smash Lebanon , Trans-Jordan, and Syria . The weak point is Lebanon , for the Moslem regime is artificial and easy for us to undermine. We shall establish a Christian state there, and then we will smash the Arab Legion, eliminate Trans-Jordan; Syria will fall to us. We then bomb and move on and take Port Said , Alexandria and Sinai."

David Ben-Gurion May 1948, to the General Staff. From Ben-Gurion, a Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte , New York 1978.
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"If I knew that it was possible to save all the children of Germany by transporting them to England, and only half by transferring them to the Land of Israel, I would choose the latter, for before us lies not only the numbers of these children but the historical reckoning of the people of Israel."
Ben-Gurion (Quoted on pp 855-56 in Shabtai Teveth's Ben-Gurion in a slightly different translation).
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"It's not a matter of maintaining the status quo. We have to create a dynamic state, oriented towards expansion." --Ben Gurion
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"Every school child knows that there is no such thing in history as a final arrangement -- not with regard to the regime, not with regard to borders, and not with regard to international agreements."
-- Ben Gurion, War Diaries, 12/03/1947 following Israel 's "acceptance" of the U.N. Partition of 11/29/1947 (Simha Flapan, "Birth of Israel," p.13)
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"We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question, What is to be done with the Palestinian population? ‘Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said ' Drive them out! ' "

Yitzhak Rabin, leaked censored version of Rabin memoirs, published in the New York Times, 23 October 1979.
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Partition: "after the formation of a large army in the wake of the establishment of the state, we will abolish partition and expand to the whole of Palestine "
-- Ben Gurion, p.22 "The Birth of Israel, 1987" Simha Flapan.

"The acceptance of partition does not commit us to renounce Transjordan . One does not demand from anybody to give up his vision. We shall accept a state in the boundaries fixed today -- but the boundaries of Zionist aspirations are the concerns of the Jewish people and no external factor will be able to limit them."
p.53, "The Birth of Israel, 1987" Simha Flapan
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October, 1936, during the Jewish Agency Executive meeting Ben-Gurion arguing in favor of transfer as a policy, he said “We are not a state and Britain will not do it for us…” although “there is nothing wrong in the idea.” He went on:

“If it was permissible to move an Arab from the Galilee to Judea, why it is impossible to move an Arab from Hebron to Transjordan , which is much closer? There are vast expanses of land there and we are over crowded….Even the High Commission agrees to a transfer to Transjordan if we equip the peasants with land and money. If the Peel Commission and the London Government accept, we’ll remove the land problem from the agenda.”

The Arabs, Ben-Gurion claimed, would not become landless as a result of Zionist land acquisition; they would be transferred to Transjordan .
October 29, 1936 the 21 member of the Jewish Agency Executive endorsed the proposal of a transfer of displaced Arab farmers to Transjordan . Only two of the four non-Zionist members opted to dissent.


Flapan, Zionism and the Palestinians, citing protocols of the Executive meeting, p. 261
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12 July 1937, Ben-Gurion entered in his diary:
“The compulsory transfer of the Arabs from the valleys of the proposed Jewish state could give us something which we never had, even when we stood on our own feet during the days of the First and Second Temple ”
– a Galilee free from Arab population.

Ben-Gurion went so far to write: “We must prepare ourselves to carry out” the transfer [emphasis in original]

27 July 1937, Ben-Gurion wrote in a letter to his 16 year old son Amos:
“We have never wanted to dispossess the Arabs [but] because Britain is giving them part of the country which had been promised to us, it is fair that the Arabs in our state be transferred to the Arab portion”


5 October 1937, Ben-Gurion wrote in a letter to his 16 year old son Amos:
“We must expel the Arabs and take their places…. And, if we have to use force-not to dispossess the Arabs of the Negev and Transjordan , but to guarantee our own right to settle in those places- then we have force at our disposal.”
“It is very possible that the Arabs of the neighboring countries will come to their aid against us. But our strength will exceed theirs. Not only because we will be better organized and equipped, but because behind us there stands a still larger force, superior in quantity and quality …the whole younger generation of Jews from Europe and America .”


Ben-Gurion, Zichronot [Memoirs], Vol. 4, p.297-299, p. 330-331.
See also Teveth, Ben-Gurion and the Palestinian Arabs, p. 182-189
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Ben-Gurion in an address to the central Committee of the Histadrut on 30 December 1947:

In the area allocated to the Jewish State there are not more than 520,000 Jews and about 350,000 non-Jews, mostly Arabs. Together with the Jews of Jerusalem , the total population of the Jewish State at the time of its establishment will be about a million, including almost 40 percent non-Jews. Such a [population] composition does not provide a stable basis for a Jewish State. This [demographic] fact must be viewed in all its clarity and acuteness. With such a [population] composition, there cannot even be absolute certainty that control will remain in the hands of the Jewish majority…. There can be no stable and strong Jewish State so long as it has a Jewish majority of only 60 percent.

On the 6th of February 1948, during a Mapai Party Council, Ben-Gurion responded to a remark from a member of the audience that “we have no land there” [in the hills and mountains west of Jerusalem ] by saying:

“The war will give us the land. The concepts of “ours” and “not ours” are peace concepts, only, and in war they lose their whole meaning”


(Ben-Gurion, War Diary, Vol. 1, entry dated 6 February 1948. p.211)

Addressing the Mapai Council the following day, Ben-Gurion declared:

“From your entry into Jerusalem , through Lifta, Romema… there are no Arabs. One hundred percent Jews. Since Jerusalem was destroyed by the Romans, it has not been so Jewish. In many Arab neighborhoods in the west one sees not a single Arab. I do not assume that this will change… What had happened in Jerusalem… is likely to happen in many parts of the country …in the six, eight or ten months of the campaign there will certainly be great changes in the composition of the population in the country.”


(Ben-Gurion, War Diary, Vol. 1, entry dated 7 February 1948. p. 210-211)


And two months later, Ben-Gurion speaking to the Zionist Actions Committee on 6 April, Ben-Gurion declared:

“We will not be able to win the war if we do not, during the war, populate upper and lower, eastern and western Galilee, the Negev and Jerusalem area….I believe that war will also bring in its wake a great change in the distribution of the Arab population.”

[Ben-Gurion, Behilahem Yisrael, Tel Aviv, Mapai Press, 1952, pp. 86-87]


Ben-Gurion wrote in his diary on 12 July 1937:
“the compulsory transfer of the Arabs from the valleys of the projected Jewish State…. We have to stick to this conclusion the same way we grabbed the Balfour Declaration, more than that, the same way we grabbed at Zionism itself.”

(Ben-Gurion, Zichronot [Memoirs], Vol. 4, p. 299)

Yishai Kohen said...

Yours are of course fabricated quotes that have been debunked time and again. They're not real.

But these are:

"The Arab armies entered Palestine …. they abandoned them, forced them to emigrate and to leave their homeland...The Arab States succeeded in scattering the Palestinian people."
[By Abu Mazen, in an article entitled "Madha `Alamna wa-Madha Yajib An Na`mal", published in "Falastin eth-Thawra", the official journal of the PLO, Beirut, March 1976 ]

"The call by the Arab Governments to the inhabitants of Palestine to evacuate it and to leave for the bordering Arab countries, after having sown terror among them...
Since 1948 we have been demanding the return of the refugees to their homes. But we ourselves are the ones who encouraged them to leave...We have brought destruction upon a million Arab refugees, by calling upon them and pleading with them to leave their land, their homes, their work and business..."
[By Khaled al-`Azm, who served as Prime Minister of Syria in 1948 and 1949, wrote in his memoirs (published in Beirut, 1973, Part 1, pp. 386-387) ]

He also said:
"Since 1948 it is we who demanded the return of refugees… while it is we who made them to leave… We brought disaster upon… Arab refugees, by inviting them and bringing pressure to bear upon them to leave… We have rendered them dispossessed…
We have accustomed them to begging… We have participated in lowering their moral and social level… Then we exploited them in executing crimes of murder, arson, and throwing bombs upon… men, women and children - all this in service of political purposes…".

"The fact that there are these refugees is the direct consequence of the act of the Arab states in opposing partition and the Jewish state. The Arab states agree upon this policy unanimously and they must share in the solution of the problem."
- Emile Ghoury, secretary of the Palestinian Arab Higher Committee, in an interview with the Beirut Telegraph Sept. 6, 1948.
"The Arab state which had encouraged the Palestine Arabs to leave their homes temporarily in order to be out of the way of the Arab invasion armies, have failed to keep their promise to help these refugees."
- The Jordanian daily newspaper Falastin, Feb. 19, 1949.

"Who brought the Palestinians to Lebanon as refugees, suffering now from the malign attitude of newspapers and communal leaders, who have neither honor nor conscience? Who brought them over in dire straits and penniless, after they lost their honor? The Arab states, and Lebanon amongst them, did it."
- The Beirut Muslim weekly Kul-Shay, Aug. 19, 1951.

"The 15th May, 1948, arrived ... On that day the mufti of Jerusalem appealed to the Arabs of Palestine to leave the country, because the Arab armies were about to enter and fight in their stead."
- The Cairo daily Akhbar el Yom, Oct. 12, 1963.

"For the flight and fall of the other villages it is our leaders who are responsible because of their dissemination of rumors exaggerating Jewish crimes and describing them as atrocities in order to inflame the Arabs ... By spreading rumors of Jewish atrocities, killings of women and children etc., they instilled fear and terror in the hearts of the Arabs in Palestine, until they fled leaving their homes and properties to the enemy."
- The Jordanian daily newspaper Al Urdun, April 9, 1953.

"Long before the end of the mandate, between January and April, 48, practically all my Arab Palestinian staff of some 200 men and women and all of the 1800 labor force had left Haifa in spite of every possible effort to assume them of their safety if they stayed."

[Harry C. Stebbens, who was in an official position in the British Mandatory Government in Palestine in 1947-48 wrote in the London Evening Standard (Friday, 10 January 1969) ]

"The Arab States encouraged the Palestine Arabs to leave their homes temporarily in order to be out of the way of the Arab invasion armies."
[Editorial, Falastin, February 19, 1949 (Amman) ]

"We will smash the country with our guns and obliterate every place the Jews seek shelter in. The Arabs should conduct their wives and children to safe areas until the fighting has died down."

[Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri Said, as quoted by Nimr el Hawari (the former Commander of the Palestine Arab Youth Organization) in his book "Sir Am Nakbah" (The Secret Behind the Disaster), 1952, Nazareth]

The Arab governments told us: get out so that we can get in. So we got out, but they did not get in." from the Jordanian daily newspaper Ad Difaa, September 6, 1954.

"It must not be forgotten that the Arab Higher Committee encourage the refugees' flight from their homes in Jaffa, Haifa, and Jerusalem." Broadcast by the Near East Arabic Broadcasting Station on April 3, 1949 (Cyprus)

"The first group of our fifth columnists consists of those who abandon their houses and business and go to live elsewhere..at the first sign of trouble they take to their heels to escape sharing the burden of struggle." Editorial, Ash Sha'ah, January 30, 1948 (Haifa)

This wholesale exodus was due partly to the belief of the Arabs, encouraged by the boasting of an unrealistic Arab press and the irresponsible utterances of some of the Arab leaders that it could be only a matter of some weeks before the Jews were defeated by the armies of the Arab States and the Palestinian Arabs enabled to re-enter and retake possession of their country." Edward Atiyah (Secretary of the Arab League Office in London), as quoted in The Arabs", p. 183 (London 1955)

"I do not want to impugn anybody but only to help the refugees. The fact that there are these refugees is the direct consequence of the action of the Arab States in opposing partition and the Jewish State. The Arab States agreed upon this policy unanimously and they must share in the solution of the problem." Emil Ghoury (Secretary of the Arab Higher Committee) as quoted in the Daily Telegraph, September 6, 1948 (Beirut)

"The Secretary General of the Arab League, Azzam Pasha, assured the Arab peoples that the occupation of Palestine and of Tel Aviv would be as simple as a military promenade..He pointed out that they were already on the frontiers and that all the millions of Jews had spent on land and economic development would be easy booty, for it would be a simple matter to throw Jews into the Mediterranean..Brotherly advice was given to the Arabs of Palestine to leave their land, homes and property and to stay temporarily in neighboring fraternal states, lest the guns of the invading Arab armies mow them down." Habib Issa, in the daily US published Lebanese newspaper Al Hoda, June 8 1951 (New York)

In Haifa on 27 April 1948, the Arab National Committee refused to sign a truce, reporting in a memorandum to the Arab League Governments, "when the delegation entered the conference room it proudly refused to sign the truce and asked that the evacuation of the Arab population and their transfer to neighboring Arab countries be facilitated...The military and civil authorities and the Jewish representatives expressed their profound regret.

The mayor of Haifa (Mr. Shabtai Levi) adjourned the meeting with a passionate appeal to the Arab population to reconsider its decision"

Jordanian daily, Filastin (Feb. 19, 1949):

"The Arab States...encouraged the Palestinians to leave their homes, temporarily, not interfering with the invading Arab armies."

Khaled al-Azam, Syrian Prime Minister in 1949 (memoirs, 1973):

"We brought destruction upon the refugees, by calling on them to leave their homes."

London Economist (Oct. 2, 1948):

"The most potent of the factors [in the flight] were announcements made by the Palestinian-Arab Higher Committee, urging all Haifa Arabs to quit, intimating that those remaining would be regarded as renegades." Arab over-confidence prior to the war (600,000 Jews vs. 27, 000,000 Arabs) was crashed by defeat, intensifying the flight of Arabs."

"Arab leaders were responsible for the [Arab] flight, disseminating exaggerated rumors of Jewish atrocities, in order to incite the Arabs, thus instilling fear in the hearts of the Palestinians."

(Jordanian daily, al-Urdun, April 9, 1953).

Ismayil Safwat, Commander of Palestinian Operations (March, 1948):

"The Jews haven't attacked any Arab village, unless attacked first."

More:

"The mass evacuation, prompted partly by fear, partly by order of Arab leaders, left the Arab quarter of Haifa a ghost city.... By withdrawing Arab workers their leaders hoped to paralyze Haifa."
- Time Magazine, May 3, 1948, page 25

"[The Arabs of Haifa] fled in spite of the fact that the Jewish authorities guaranteed their safety and rights as citizens of Israel."
- Monsignor George Hakim, Greek Catholic Bishop of Galilee, New York Herald Tribune, June 30, 1949

"Israelis argue that the Arab states encouraged the Palestinians to flee. And, in fact, Arabs still living in Israel recall being urged to evacuate Haifa by Arab military commanders who wanted to bomb the city."
- Newsweek, January 20, 1963

Yishai Kohen said...

We're used to you Arabs lying. In fact, the paradigm was Arafat himself:

"Reflections from Beirut" by Nabil Khalifeh (a political activist living in Beirut)

"Arafat is a pathological liar; we signed 72 ceasefires with him in a span of 18 months in 1975-1976, and he broke each and every one of them, whenever he felt that the balance of power was shifting to his advantage.

To refresh the memory, he is quoted to have said: ‘I am ready to kill for the sake of my cause; wouldn't I lie for it?’"…


And enjoy this too:

LINKS JUST SCRATCHING THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG EXPOSING YOUR LIES ABOUT ISRAEL

aranki said...

What an idiot, This does not change the fact that the Zionists have stolen the land, even if the people left for safety from the murderers of Hagana. Did you know that in 1948 every battle the Zionists had with the "Arab Armies" they won, but every battle they fought against villagers they lost? Just as happened in other wars, until last year's war against people who wanted to fight not armies who got their orders from politicians who are more interested in keeping their jobs.

Buddy Kohen, your Israel does not have a chance even with atomic weapons. My suggestion to you is to keep your options open, keep your other nationality current. You can fabricate all the "truths" you need, it will not change the fact that Zionism is a colonialist ideology in which its time has passed. Even if there is a Peace settlement in the horizon, the clock is ticking for Israel. If its not destroyed by war, it surly will be destroyed thru demography.

aranki said...

Palestinians who fled their homes and property in Palestine when the Zionists started their murder streak should start hitting the Zionists where it hurts, their pocket books. As soon as "Peace" is established, all Palestinians with deeds to property stolen by the Zionists should sue every buisness or bank in every country "Israel" does business in the world. Just like the victims of the Holocaust have done.

aranki said...

Here Read this its written by a follow jew, Read how the Zionists were raised and supported by Hitler and Mussolini a Nazi and a Fascist.


Zionism in the Age of the Dictators
A Reappraisal By Lenni Brenner

http://www.marxists.de/middleast/brenner/index.htm

aranki said...

Also read this,

The Hidden History of Zionism
(1988) by
Ralph Schoenman

http://www.marxists.de/middleast/schoenman/

aranki said...

The Hidden History of Zionism - Part 1


transformation

by Ralph Shoenman

Zionism and Fascism

The history of Zionism - largely suppressed - is sordid.

Mussolini set up squadrons of the Revisionist Zionist youth movement, Betar, in black shirts in emulation of his own Fascist bands. When Menachem Begin became chief of Betar, he preferred the brown shirts of the Hitler gangs, a uniform Begin and Betar members wore to all meetings and rallies - at which they greeted each other and opened and closed meetings with the fascist salute.

Simon Petilura was a Ukrainian fascist who personally directed pogroms which killed 28,000 Jews in 897 separate pogroms. Jabotinsky negotiated an alliance with Petilura, proposing a Jewish police force to accompany Petilura's forces in their counter-revolutionary fight against the Red Army and the Bolshevik Revolution - a process involving the murder of peasant, worker and intellectual supporters of the revolution.

Collaborating with the Nazis

This strategy of enlisting Europe's virulent Jew-haters, and of aligning with the most vicious movements and regimes as financial and military patrons of a Zionist colony in Palestine, did not exclude the Nazis.

The Zionist Federation of Germany sent a memorandum of support to the Nazi Party on June 21, 1933. In it the Federation noted:

... a rebirth of national life such as is occurring in German life ... must also take place in the Jewish national group.

On the foundation of the new [Nazi] state which has established the principle of race, we wish so to fit our community into the total structure so that for us, too, in the sphere assigned to us, fruitful activity for the Fatherland is possible ... (Brenner, Zionism, p.48.)

Far from repudiating this policy, the World Zionist Organization Congress in 1933 defeated a resolution calling for action against Hitler by a vote of 240 to 43.

During this very Congress, Hitler announced a trade agreement with the WZO's Anglo-Palestine Bank, breaking, thereby, the Jewish boycott of the Nazi regime at a time when the German economy was extremely vulnerable. It was the height of the Depression and people were wheeling barrels full of worthless German Marks. The World Zionist Organization broke the Jewish boycott and became the principal distributor of Nazi goods throughout the Middle East and Northern Europe. They established the Ha'avara, which was a bank in Palestine designed to receive monies from the German-Jewish bourgeoisie, with which sums Nazi goods were purchased in very substantial quantity.

Embracing the S.S. :

Consequently, the Zionists brought Baron Von Mildenstein of the S.S. Security Service to Palestine for a six-month visit in support of Zionism. This visit led to a twelve-part report by Joseph Goebbels, Hitler's Minister of Propaganda, in Der Angriff (The Assault) in 1934 praising Zionism. Goebbels ordered a medallion struck with the Swastika on one side, and on the other, the Zionist Star of David. In May 1935, Reinhardt Heydrich, the chief of the S.S. Security Service, wrote an article in which he separated Jews into "two categories." The Jews he favored were the Zionists: "Our good wishes together with our official good will go with them." (Brenner, Zionusm, p. 85)

In 1937, the Labor "socialist" Zionist militia, the Haganah (founded by Jabotinsky) sent an agent (Feivel Polkes) to Berlin offering to spy for the S.S. Security Service in exchange for the release of Jewish wealth for Zionist colonization. Adolf Eichmann was invited to Palestine as the guest of the Haganah.

Feivel Polkes informed Eichmann:

Jewish nationalist circles were very pleased with the radical German policy, since the strength of the Jewish population in Palestine would be so far increased thereby that in the foreseeable future the Jews could reckon upon numerical superiority over the Arabs. (Brenner, Zionism, p. 99)

The list of acts of Zionist collaboration with the Nazis goes on and on. What can account for this incredible willingness of Zionist leaders to betray the Jews of Europe? The entire rationale for the state of Israel offered by its apologists has been that it was intended to be the refuge of Jews facing persecution.

The Zionists, to the contrary, saw any effort to rescue Europe's Jews not as the fulfillment of their political purpose but as a threat to their entire movement. If Europe's Jews were saved, they would wish to go elsewhere and the rescue operation would have nothing to do with the Zionist project of conquering Palestine.

Sacrificing Europe's Jews :

The correlative to the acts of collaboration with the Nazis throughout the 1930?s was that when attempts to change the immigration laws of the United States and Western Europe were contemplated in order to provide token refuge for persecuted Jews of Europe, it was the Zionists who actively organized to stop these efforts.

Ben-Gurion informed a meeting of Labor Zionists in Great Britain in 1938: "If I knew that it would be possible to save all the children in Germany by bringing them over to England and only half of them by transporting them to Eretz Israel, then I opt for the second alternative." [Brenner, Zionism, p.149]

This obsession with colonizing Palestine and overwhelming the Arabs led the Zionist movement to oppose any rescue of the Jews facing extermination, because the ability to deflect select manpower to Palestine would be impeded. From 1933 to 1935, the WZO turned down two-thirds of all the German Jews who applied for immigration certificates.

Berel Katznelson, editor of the Labor Zionist Davar, described the "cruel criteria of Zionism": German Jews were too old to bear children in Palestine, lacked trades for building a Zionist colony, didn't speak Hebrew and weren't Zionists. In place of these Jews facing extermination the WZO brought to Palestine 6,000 trained young Zionists from the United States, Britain and other safe countries. Worse than this, the WZO not merely failed to seek any alternative for the Jews facing the Holocaust, the Zionist leadership opposed belligerently all efforts to find refuge for fleeing Jews.

As late as 1943, while the Jews of Europe were being exterminated in their millions, the U.S. Congress proposed to set up a commission to "study" the problem. Rabbi Stephen Wise, who was the principal American spokesperson for Zionism, came to Washington to testify against the rescue bill because it would divert attention from the colonization of Palestine.

This is the same Rabbi Wise who, in 1938, in his capacity as leader of the American Jewish Congress, wrote a letter in which he opposed any change in U.S. immigration laws which would enable Jews to find refuge. He stated:

It may interest you to know that some weeks ago the representatives of all the leading Jewish organizations met in conference ... It was decided that no Jewish organization would, at this time, sponsor a bill which would in any way alter the immigration laws. (Brenner, Zionism, p. 149)

Fighting Asylum :

The entire Zionist establishment made its position unmistakable in its response to a motion by 227 British members of Parliament calling on the government to provide asylum in British territories for persecuted Jews. The meager undertaking which was prepared was as follows:

His Majesty's Government issued some hundreds of Mauritius and other immigration permits in favor of threatened Jewish families. (Rabbi Solomon Schonfeld, Britain's chief Rabbi during World War II. Faris Yahya, Zionist Relations with Nazi Germany (Beirut, Lebanon: Palestine Research Center, January 1978), p.53).

But even this token measure was opposed by the Zionist leaders. At a Parliamentary meeting on January 27, 1943, when the next steps were being pursued by over one hundred members of Parliament, a spokesperson for the Zionists announced that they opposed this motion because it did not contain preparations for the colonization of Palestine. This was a consistent stance.

Chaim Weizmann, the Zionist leader who had arranged the Balfour Declaration and was to become the first president of Israel, made this Zionist policy very explicit:

The hopes of Europe's six million Jews are centered on emigration. I was asked: ?Can you bring six million Jews to Palestine?? I replied, ?No.? ... From the depths of the tragedy I want to save ... young people [for Palestine]. The old ones will pass. They will bear their fate or they will not. They are dust, economic and moral dust in a cruel world ... Only the branch of the young shall survive. They have to accept it. ( Chaim Weizmann reporting to the Zionist Congress in 1937 on his testimony before the Peel Commission in London, July 1937. Cited in Yahya, p. 55).

Yitzhak Gruenbaum, the chairperson of the committee set up by the Zionists, nominally to investigate the condition of European Jews, said:

When they come to us with two plans - the rescue of the masses of Jews in Europe or the redemption of the land - I vote, without a second thought, for the redemption of the land. The more said about the slaughter of our people, the greater the minimization of our efforts to strengthen and promote the Hebraisation of the land. If there would be a possibility today of buying packages of food with the money of the Karen Hayesod [United Jewish Appeal] to send it through Lisbon, would we do such a thing? No. And once again no! (Yitzhak Gruenbaum was chairperson of the Jewish Agency's Rescue Committee. Excerpted from a speech made in 1943. Ibid., p.56).

Betraying the Resistance

In July 1944, the Slovakian Jewish leader Rabbi Dov Michael Weissmandel in a letter to Zionist officials charged with these "rescue organizations," proposed a series of measures to save the Jews scheduled for liquidation at Auschwitz. He offered exact mappings of the railways and urged the bombing of the tracks on which the Hungarian Jews were being transported to the crematoria.

He appealed for the bombing of the furnaces at Auschwitz, for the parachuting of ammunition to 80,000 prisoners, for the parachuting of saboteurs to blow up all the means of annihilation and thus end the cremation of 13,000 Jews every day.

Should the Allies refuse the organized and public demand by the "rescue organizations", Weissmandel proposed that the Zionists, who had funds and organization, obtain airplanes, recruit Jewish volunteers and carry out the sabotage.

Weissmandel was not alone. Throughout the late thirties and forties, Jewish spokespersons in Europe cried out for help, for public campaigns, for organized resistance, for demonstrations to force the hand of allied Governments - only to be met not merely by Zionist silence but by active Zionist sabotage of the meager efforts which were proposed or prepared in Great Britain and the United States.

Here is the cri-de-coeur of Rabbi Weissmandel. Writing to the Zionists in July 1944 he asked incredulously.

Why have you done nothing until now? Who is guilty of this frightful negligence? Are you not guilty, our Jewish brothers: you who have the greatest good fortune in the world - liberty?

"We send you," Rabbi Weissmandel wrote again," this special message: to inform you that yesterday the Germans began the deportation of Jews from Hungary ... The deported ones go to Auschwitz to be put to death by cyanide gas. This is the schedule of Auschwitz from yesterday to the end:

Twelve thousand Jews - men, women and children, old men, infants, healthy and sick ones, are to be suffocated daily.

And you, our brothers in Palestine, in all the countries of freedom, and you ministers of all the Kingdoms, how do you keep silent in the face of this great murder?

Silent while thousands upon thousands, reaching now to six million Jews, are murdered? And silent now, while tens of thousands are still being murdered and waiting to be murdered? Their destroyed hearts cry out to you for help as they bewail your cruelty.

Brutal, you are and murderers, too, you are, because of the coldbloodedness of the silence in which you watch, because you sit with folded arms and do nothing, although you could stop or delay the murder of Jews at this very hour.

You, our brothers, sons of Israel, are you insane? Don?t you know the hell around us? For whom are you saving your money? Murderers! Madmen! Who is it that gives charity: you who toss a few pennies from your safe homes, or we who give our blood in the depths of hell? (Brenner, Zionism, pp. 59-60).

No Zionist leader supported his request, nor did the Western capitalist regimes bomb a single concentration camp.

A Pact Against Hungary's Jews :

The culmination of Zionist betrayal was the sacrifice of Hungary's Jews in a series of agreements between the Zionist movement and Nazi Germany which first became known in 1953. Dr. Rudolph Kastner of the Jewish Agency Rescue Committee in Budapest signed a secret pact with Adolf Eichmann to "settle the Jewish question" in Hungary. This took place in 1944. The pact sealed the fate of 800,000 Jews.

It was to be revealed later that Kastner was under the direction of the Zionist leaders abroad when he made his agreement with Eichmann. The agreement entailed the saving of six hundred prominent Jews on the condition that silence was maintained about the fate of Hungarian Jewry.

When a survivor, Malchiel Greenwald, exposed the pact and denounced Kastner as a Nazi collaborator whose "deeds in Budapest cost the lives of hundreds of thousands of Jews", (Brenner, Zionism, p 58). Greenwald was sued by the Israeli government, whose leaders had drawn up the terms of the Kastner pact.

The Israeli Court came to the following conclusion:

The sacrifice of the majority of the Jews, in order to rescue the prominents was the basic element in the agreement between Kastner and the Nazis. This agreement fixed the division of the nation into two unequal camps, a small fragment of prominents, whom the Nazis promised Kastner to save, on the one hand, and the great majority of Hungarian Jews whom the Nazis designated for death, on the other hand. (Judgment given on June 22, 1955, Protocol of Criminal Case 124/53 in District Court, Jerusalem. Brenner,Zionism, p.58).
The court declared that the imperative condition of this pact was that neither Kastner nor the Zionist leaders would interfere in the action of the Nazis against the Jews. These leaders undertook not only to eschew interference, but they agreed they would not, in the words of the Israeli court, "hamper them in the extermination."

Collaboration between the Jewish Agency Rescue Committee and the exterminators of the Jews was solidified in Budapest and Vienna. Kastner?s duties were part and parcel of the S.S. In addition to its Extermination Department and Looting Department, the Nazi S.S. opened a Rescue Department headed by Kastner. (Brenner, Zionism, p.59).

Saving Nazis, Not Jews :

It is not surprising that it was to be revealed that Kastner intervened to save S.S. General Kurt Becher from being tried for war crimes. Becher was one of the leading negotiators of the deal with the Zionists in 1944. He was also an S.S. Major in Poland, a member of the Death Corps "that worked around the clock killing Jews." "Becher distinguished himself as a Jew slaughterer in Poland and Russia." (Ben Hecht, Perfidy (New York: 1961), pp.58-59. Brenner, Zionism, p.60). He was appointed Commissar of all Nazi concentration camps by Heinrich Himmler.

What happened to him? He became president of many corporations and headed up the sale of wheat to Israel. His corporation, the Cologne-Handel Gesellschaft, did extensive business with the Israeli government.

A Military Pact with Nazism

On January 11, 1941, Avraham Stern proposed a formal military pact between the National Military Organization (NMO), of which Yitzhak Shamir, the current Prime Minister of Israel, was a prominent leader, and the Nazi Third Reich. This proposal became known as the Ankara document, having been discovered after the war in the files of the German Embassy in Turkey. It states the following:

The evacuation of the Jewish masses from Europe is a precondition for solving the Jewish question; but this can only be made possible and complete through the settlement of these masses in the home of the Jewish people, Palestine, and through the establishment of a Jewish state in its historical boundaries ...

The NMO, which is well-acquainted with the goodwill of the German Reich government and its authorities towards Zionist activity inside Germany and towards Zionist emigration plans, is of the opinion that:

Common interests could exist between the establishment of a New Order in Europe in conformity with the German concept, and the true national aspirations of the Jewish people as they are embodied by the NMO.

Cooperation between the new Germany and renewed folkish-national Hebraium would be possible and The establishment of the historical Jewish state on a national and totalitarian basis, and bound by a treaty with the German Reich, would be in the interest of a maintained and strengthened future German position of power in the Near East.

Proceeding from these considerations, the NMO in Palestine, under the condition that the above-mentioned national aspirations of the Israeli freedom movement are recognized on the side of the German Reich, offers to actively take part in the war on Germany?s side. (Proposal of the National Military Organization - Irgun Zvai Leumi - Concerning the Solution of the Jewish Question in Europe and the Participation of the N.M.O. in the War on the side of Germany. Original text found in David Yisraeli, The Palestine Problem in German Politics. 1889-1945. (Ramat Gan, Israel: Bar Ilan University, 1974), pp.315-317, Brenner. Zionism, p.267).

Zionism's Perfidy :

Zionism's perfidy - the betrayal of the victims of the Holocaust - was the culmination of their attempt to identify the interests of the Jews with those of the established order.

Today, the Zionists join their state to the enforcement arm of U.S. imperialism - from the death squads of Latin America to the covert operations of the C.I.A. on four continents.

This sordid history is rooted in the demoralization of the founders of Zionism, who rejected the possibility of overcoming anti-Semitism through popular struggle and social revolution.

Moses Hess, Theodor Herzl and Chaim Weizmann chose the wrong side of the barricades - that of state power, class domination and exploitative rule. They propounded a putative disjunction between emancipation from persecution and the necessity of social change. They fully understood that the cultivation of anti-Semitism and the persecution of the Jews were the work of the very ruling class from whom they curried favor.

In seeking the sponsorship of the anti-Semites themselves, they revealed several motives: the worship of power with which they associated strength; a desire to end Jewish "weakness" and vulnerability, ceasing to be perpetual outsiders.

This sensibility was a short step to assimilating the values and ideas of the Jew-haters themselves. The Jews, the Zionists wrote, were indeed an undisciplined, subversive, dissident people, worthy of the scorn they had earned. The Zionists catered shamelessly to racist Jew-hatred.

Worshipping power, they appealed to the anti-Semitic desire of the von Plehves and the Himmlers to be rid of a victim people long radicalized by persecution, a people who filled the ranks of revolutionary movements and whose suffering drew their best minds to intellectual ferment offensive to established values.

The dirty secret of Zionist history is that Zionism was threatened by the Jews themselves. Defending the Jewish people from persecution meant organizing resistance to the regimes which menaced them. But these regimes embodied the imperial order which comprised the only social force willing or able to impose a settler colony on the Palestinian people. Hence, the Zionists needed the persecution of the Jews to persuade Jews to become colonizers afar, and they needed the persecutors to sponsor the enterprise.

But European Jewry had never manifested any interest in colonizing Palestine. Zionism remained a fringe movement among the Jews, who aspired to live in the countries of their birth free of discrimination or to escape persecution by emigrating to bourgeois democracies perceived as more tolerant.

Zionism, therefore, could never answer the needs or aspirations of the Jews. The moment of truth came when persecution gave way to physical extermination. Put to the ultimate and sole test of their real relationship to Jewish survival, the Zionists did not merely fail to lead resistance or defend the Jews, they actively sabotaged Jewish efforts to boycott the Nazi economy. They sought, even then, the sponsorship of the mass murderers themselves, not merely because the Third Reich appeared powerful enough to impose a Zionist colony, but because the Nazi practices were consonant with Zionist assumptions.

There was a common ground between the Nazis and the Zionists, expressed not merely in the proposal of Shamir's National Military Organization to form a state in Palestine on a "national totalitarian basis." Vladimir Jabotinsky, in his last work, The Jewish War Front, (l940) wrote of his plans for the Palestinian people:

Since we have this great moral authority for calmly envisaging the exodus of Arabs, we need not regard the possible departure of 900,000 with dismay. Herr Hitler has recently been enhancing the popularity of population transfer. (Brenner, The Iron Wall, p.107).

Jabotinsky's remarkable declaration in The Jewish War Front synthesizes Zionist thought and its moral bankruptcy. The slaughter of the Jews gave Zionism "great moral authority". - For what? "For calmly envisaging the exodus of Arabs." The lesson of Nazi destruction of the Jews was that it was permissible now for Zionists to visit the same fate upon the entire Palestinian population.

Seven years later, the Zionists emulated the Nazis, whose backing they sought and even at times achieved, and they covered bleeding Palestine in multiple Lidices (Lidice was a Czech village razed to the ground by the S.S. It became a symbol of Nazi brutality and was singled out as a war crime during the Nuremberg Trials), driving 800,000 people into exile.

The Zionists approached the Nazis in the same spirit they had Von Plehve, acting on the perverse notion that Jew-hatred was useful. Their purpose was not rescue, but forced conscription of the select few - the rest to be consigned to their agonizing fate.

Zionism sought bodies with which to colonize Palestine and preferred Jewish corpses in their millions to any rescue that might settle Jews elsewhere.

If ever a people could be expected to grasp the meaning of persecution, the pain of being perpetual refugees and the humiliation of slander, it ought to have been the Jews.

In place of compassion, the Zionists celebrated the persecution of others, even as they first betrayed the Jews and then degraded them. They selected a victim people of their own on whom to inflict a conquering design. They aligned the surviving Jews with a new genocide against the Palestinian people, cloaking themselves, with savage irony, in the collective shroud of the Holocaust.

end of Part 1

Yishai Kohen said...

You're the idiot- quoting communists' lies as if that would impress anyone.

No that it matters. It's over. Look at this- even the Arabs who were at Deir Yassin admit that the Arabs are liars, as you can see fromthis ARAB web site:

Interviews: 50th Anniversary Of Deir Yassin Massacre

In retrospect, Palestinians of today admit that one of the most terrible mistakes they made back in 1948 was to over-report the details of the Deir Yassin massacre. "The goal was to mobilize Arab support for the Palestinians who were slaughtered by the Zionists but what really happened was that more and more Palestinians became scared and left their country," said Hazem Nusseibeh, a leading Palestinian figure who currently lives in Jordan. In 1948 he was among the key figures of the city of Jerusalem.

..."True, there was exchange of fire with the Jews. Prior to the attack, they used to come to the village and distribute leaflets calling for the establishment of friendly and brotherly relations with us offering a formula of 'do not hit us, we won't hit you.' Our youths confronted them and did not listen to them. Our youths used to go out to the eastern side of the village and beat up whatever Jew they saw."

...Mohammed Asaad Radwan Al Yassini, 70, who currently lives in the Old City of Jerusalem, confirmed that some of the men were dressed in women's outfits.

...Did they use speakers and what did they say?

"They called on us to surrender, to throw our weapons and to save ourselves. But we did not imagine them breaking into the village.

...Ali Yousef Jaber, Abu Yousef, is also 70 years old. He lives in Am'ari refugee camp near Ramallah. Excerpts below:

"I would like to stress on the fact that no rape incidents took place. That was part of a big lie that some of the Arabs and some of our leaders invented but were refuted by our villagers. I was among a group of people who went to Saad Eddin Al Aref to talk to him about this. He told us he wanted to frame them and attribute to them a brutal crime. I said to him: if you want to frame them, do not use Deir Yassin, or our women. Do not attribute to us something that never happened, otherwise this is infamy that our village and its people do not deserve...


"Palestine" never was and "Palestine" never will be. Better move along, liar.

aranki said...

I would not be so sure if I were you. Ben Gurion warned in 1948: Assuring his fellow Zionists that Palestinians will never come back to their homes: “The old will die and the young will forget." But 60 years later the Israeli Defense Minister Mofez, was quoted as saying “We can not make peace with this generation” referring to today’s Palestinian generation. The generation that Ben Gurion said will forget is Mahmud Abas’s generation, the generation that Mofez is talking about is Abas’s grand children’s generation. And I will assure you that their great grand children will not be any less welling to sacrifice for Palestine. I’m sure you feel that in your bones.

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Never ceases to amaze me how Zionists twist and turn things around. Have you ever wonder why we never see any debates to "truths" of the Zionists and "Lies" of the Arabs? Why when anyone questions a Zionist myth they are labeled an anti-smite and a liar without any discussion of the actual facts? Well it’s because the Zionist mythology does not hold water. They can not stand debates because it exposes their deceit. But to no avail. Israel’s fate is sealed it was sealed the moment Zionism rejected Uganda as a national home and chose Palestine. If they chose Uganda as was the preferred homeland for Theodore Hertzel the father of Zionism, they would have had the Arabs and Muslims as allies, but taking on 1.5 Billion Muslims suicidal as Mahathir Bin Mohamad (the freely elected former prime minister of Malaysiais) said because they will not quit until they get what they lost back, sure it may take years, after all the Muslims ruled over Spain for over 700 years and in a short span of time the Arabs and Jews were removed and other than the buildings they left have no trace in Spain. So that will be the fate of “Israel” it may live in Palestine for another 50 or even 100 years, but it will end if not from outside invasion then from within just as the “Historic Israel” of King David ended after only 100 years. Not forgetting that even King David was also an invader of Palestine.

So when the Arabs and Muslims finally achieve the democratic aspiration and their governments start to represent their people’s will (If the Bin Ladenits do not achieve their goals first) not that of the supper powers as been the case since before the Zionist conquest of Palestine things will change. So make sure you other Passport is ready.

aranki said...

"The day will come when the two-state solution collapses, and we face a South African-style struggle for equal voting rights," Olmert told Haaretz. "As soon as that happens, the state of Israel is finished."

Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, published comments in Haaretz 11/29/2007,

I'm all for binational State. One man one vote.

Yishai Kohen said...

So sorry but the Philistines will NOT be rewarded for their intransigence, aggression, and violence; not with a state of their own and not with MY state.

There will be ONE state but nothing for the Philistines.

They would have had a state in 1937 with the Peel Plan, but they violently rejected it.

They would have had a state in 1948 with UN 181, but they violently rejected it (and actually claimed that the UN had no such mandate!).

They could have had a state in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza from 1948-1967 without any Jews- because the Arabs had ethnically cleansed every last one; but they violently rejected it. In fact, that's exactly when they established Fatah (1959) and thre PLO (1964).

They could have had a state after 1967, but instead, the entire Arab world issued the Khartoum Resolutions:

A. No peace with Israel
B. No recognition of Israel
C. No negotiations with Israel

They would have had a state in 2000 with the Oslo Accords, but they violently rejected it- as always.

No more. They won't have a state here, and if they don't stop their violence, they won't even exist here anymore. They will have to go to their own land; Jordan.

And you can take that to the bank- the EAST Bank.

aranki said...

Kohen Buddy you are so funny. I got a great laugh out of what you just wrote, let me explain why.
So sorry but the Philistines will NOT be rewarded for their intransigence, aggression, and violence; not with a state of their own and not with MY state.
I guess you mean that because the Palestinians refuse to go away and die that’s “intransigence” and because they live under a murderous Nazi style occupation they have “aggression” and because they resist the occupation they use “violence” It is as much YOUR "state" as a stolen painting is the property of an SS officer's children.

There will be ONE state but nothing for the Philistines.
You mean the “Final Solution”, Gaza is already a large concentration camp and all you have to do now is create smaller ones on the West Bank. Are you sure you were not an SS officer before migrating to Palestine?

They would have had a state in 1937 with the Peel Plan, but they violently rejected it. They would have had a state in 1948 with UN 181, but they violently rejected it (and actually claimed that the UN had no such mandate!).
Kohen, let me give you a nickel for your dollar and see if you'll take it. During that time the Palestinians owned 95% of the land and property of Palestine while the Zionist settlers owned less than 5%, Why should the Palestinians agree to such a robbery? better yet, no one in this world not the UN or any filthy Zionist has the right to divide or give away Palestine. It’s that simple. Sure now the Zionists have most of it but under international law its illegal. No passage of time can change that, If the Zionists (not jews) can claim that Palestine is their homeland after 2000 years, (even though I do not believe in this claim due to the fact that my ancestors are the true Jews who later converted to Christianity and some like in Hebron converted to Islam) then the Palestinian refugees with their house keys and property deeds still in hand have every right to claim Palestine back and you know they will.

They won't have a state here, and if they don't stop their violence, they won't even exist here anymore. They will have to go to their own land; Jordan.

Kohen man your logic is warped, its like you are telling a child (the Palestinians) who is bound and tied (Occupied and restricted by road blocks) and being flogged (shot like a fish in a barrel by helicopter) to stop yelling (resisting) before you stop the flogging.
But yes I believe it, its only Zionist murderers and thieves that can carry the final solution and ethnic cleanse Palestine from its indigenous population. Well if that is your solution then go ahead start gassing and burning. It will be the last thing your kind will ever do.

Yishai Kohen said...

I really think it's funny when you Arabs talk about Nazis- being that Hitler had the mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin al-Husseini, in his hip pocket as a staunch supporrter.

And being that even today, NOBODY is as big a Nazi as you are:

http://www.factsofisrael.com/blog/archives/000556.html

http://www.factsofisrael.com/en/images/articles/palestinian-nazis.jpg

http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/pictures/PalestinianNaziSalute01.jpg
http://www.honestreporting.com/images/papoliceheil.jpg

http://rightwingerz.com/wp-content/FatahYouth.jpg


href="http://www.aijac.org.au/review/2001/images/arabic_mein_kampf.jpg">http://www.aijac.org.au/review/2001/images/arabic_mein_kampf.jpg


http://www.faithfreedom.org/Gallery/18.htm

http://bp1.blogger.com/_bG9aGH8yrpU/RsuvALeQWnI/AAAAAAAAANo/eSu8TGKFm7M/s1600/realholocaust.jpg

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index_files/BlessHitler.jpg


And bag the lies about them "owning". They didn't. SQUATTING without ownership doesn't make it theirs.

And their warped ways are destroying THEM. They, like their mentors, will not survive.

aranki said...

http://images.google.com/images?q=Jews+against+Zionism&gbv=2&ndsp=20&svnum=10&hl=en&start=0&sa=N

Yishai Kohen said...

LOL! You're SO behind the times. The ENTIRE religious Jewish spectrum has excommunicated the few dozen whack-jobs that you Arabs all love as your poster-children for dhimmis:

“Further to our public announcement dated 21 April 2002 [9th Iyar 5762], we hereby reiterate and declare that hareidi/hassidic/Orthodox Jews everywhere absolutely reject the treacherous and contemptible conduct of that insignificant and irrelevant group of misfits and Mechalelei Hashem [desecraters of G-d's Name], who have again raised their ugly heads and besmirched and blackened the reputations of observant Jews worldwide.

“Their joining in vigils and 'prayers' for the arch-terrorist Yasser Arafat [may his name be blotted out] with Jew-haters of all manner, is an outrage that we cannot ignore and will not forgive. We again demand that rabbis and community leaders of all communities ensure that members of this group are refused entrיe to all houses of prayer.

“These nefarious associates of Jewry's enemies have unfortunately again succeeded in their crazed hunger for publicity and are being depicted in local and international media - outfitted in their religious attire – bewailing the impending demise of a mass-murderer – side-by-side with Palestinian Jew-haters. The shame and embarrassment to decent religious Jews worldwide is unbearable.

“We repeat: this contemptible and minuscule gang of traitors to Judaism, were decades ago barred from our Synagogues and communities. Their refusal to abide by the pronouncements of religious and lay leaders of our communities has made them persona non grata.

“Under no circumstances should the media insinuate that ANY of their actions are associated with the hareidi or hassidic community.

“We urgently request all media outlets to highlight this fact in any report on this group's actions and to clearly state that the Neturei Karta and their advocates have been excommunicated by virtually the entire spectrum of Jewry”.

Representing:
Anshei Sfard, Satmar, Bobov, Emunas Yisroel, Ger, Belz, Bnei Yehuda, Nitra, Viznitz, Munkacz, Vien, Klausenburg, Viznitz, Torah Vodaas, Novominsk, Torah Temimah, Chasan Sofer, Kiryas Joel - Monroe, Pupa, Young Israel of Brooklyn, Cong. Shomrei Shabbos, United Lubavitch Organizations of Crown Heights, Kamenitz, Agudath Israel 14th Avenue, United Jewish Organizations of Williamsburg, Boro Park Jewish Council, Debrecin, US Friends of the Eida Charedis, Lakewood Yeshiva.

http://www.israelnn.com/news.php3?id=71966

and

"New York Rabbi Finds Friends in Iran and Enemies at Home" (January 15, 2007)

...Rabbi Weiss and four other members of his group, Neturei Karta, received a warm reception in Iran, he said, dining with state officials and posing for photographs with Mr. Ahmadinejad, whom Rabbi Weiss had met at least twice before.

Back home, Rabbi Weiss and the others were met with anger and scorn. Since their return, they have been ostracized by synagogues, denied service at kosher stores and vilified in Jewish discussion boards on the Web. Posters have surfaced in the Satmar Hasidic enclaves of Brooklyn, calling the members of Neturei Karta “rebels” and “outcasts” and asking Orthodox Jews to “totally cut off ties with this gang.”

On Jan. 7, about 300 people, most of them Orthodox Jews, including several Holocaust survivors, protested outside Neturei Karta’s base on Saddle River Road here, chanting and holding signs that read, “Neturei Crackpots, Leave Monsey.”...

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/15/nyregion/15rabbi.html



But keep hoping, loser.

Marie said...

Aranki,

How disgusting to say that it's time to hit Zionists where it hurts, their "pocket books".

If this isn't harking back to an age-old Nazi canard about Jews and money, I don't know what it.

How easily "Jew" and "Zionist" are interchangeable, aren't they? Lucky for you.

But resorting to bigoted, racist stereotypes of Jews and money is appaling.

There goes your moral ground.

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aranki said...

Marie,

I’m glad that from all the posts that I put up you managed to find your excuse (two words) to try to discredit my posts and your “Brilliant insight” to how I feel. The interchangeability of “Jew” and “Zionist” is the domain of the Zionists. It is a Zionist invention. I do not believe that because there are a lot more Christian Zionists in this world than there are Jewish Zionists. But all I can say to you is Fu** off because it is you who is making the association. Not me.

aranki said...

Israeli Public Security Minister fears arrest in Britain
Posted: 06-12-2007 , 14:28 GMT
"Minister Dichter has cancelled this trip following threats of him being arrested in Great Britain. according to AFP.
As head of Israel's Shin Beth internal intelligence agency, Dichter was involved in the 2002 Israeli attack in Gaza in which an Israeli warplane dropped a one-ton bomb on a the house killing 15 civilians, many of them children.


There will come a day when, all Zionist criminals will be hiding like rats. Zionists know this, that’s why they are lashing out with all their might while they can.

Do and say what you will for you are as sure as I am that Israel has no future (whats a 100 years in the age of country?) in Palestine.

Yishai Kohen said...

Actually, because of that, the UK is going to end up changing their law. They don't want jihadis trying to use civilized society's law against the civilized world and civilized people:

A Home Office spokeswoman said that Jacqui Smith, the Home Secretary, was considering amending the legislation to stop private prosecutors putting forward arrest warrants.

“The current position is that there is extra territorial jurisdiction to prosecute war crimes and, although a prosecution cannot proceed without the consent of the Attorney General, section 25(2) of the Prosecution of Offences Act 1985 provides that this requirement will not prevent the issue or execution of an arrest warrant or an arrest without a warrant," she said.

"This allows the police to act quickly to arrest suspects but also allows a private prosecutor to apply for a warrant if he or she can produce evidence to support an allegation. Procedures already in place provide for the courts to consider any application on its merits.

“The Home Secretary is currently considering amendments to the legislation regarding applications for arrest warrants by private prosecutors in relation to offences which require the consent of the Attorney General to prosecute.”

Yishai Kohen said...

PS There's no such thing as "Palestine"- and there never will be.

aranki said...

You don't really believe that, DO YOU? You poor fool, don't you know that you can not block out the SUN with your palm? But if that’s the only way you can live with your hallucination then its OK I’m willing to entertain a diseased mind. Even if there never were such a thing as Palestine, YOU can feel it in your Zionist (Kazak) bones that Palestine is the future.

aranki said...

GentileJews Myths

GentileJews through their colonies, political slaves and Zionist Christians have been to fabricate a series of myths to justify the creation of the Zionist Enclave and the ethnic cleansing of more than 750,000 people from the homes. Homes which they have occupied for centuries. These Myths are so obvious in their deceptions and manipulation, aiming to "fool" people around the world to pr-cover the terror and murders they committed in Palestine and beyond.


Who are the Gentile Jews?
Using historical facts, accepted definitions and historical principals we shall endeavor to proof beyond any doubt that most of the Ashkenazi Jews are not Hebrews / Israelites and they are from Khazari background and therefore are not real Hebrews and more importantly they are not genuine Semitic.
This fact is vital to understanding the Middle East conflict. This Palestinian / Zionist conflict is based on cultural and not religious differences. The Gentile Jews continuous illegal immigration to Palestine in large numbers, introduced an alien culture to that region, a Khazari / Eastern European culture, which was rejected by almost all western civilizations throughout history. This group of Eastern European were “exported” to a new destination called Palestine.
We have purposely chosen to use the CORRECT terms to describe the region and its ethnic communities. Communities which include the most recent invaders ... The GENTILE JEWS.


Gentile Jews Myths
Although history has seen many tyrants, invaders and occupiers. The Gentile Jews invasion and occupation of Palestine is unparalleled in history.
Gentile Jews have relied on epics which may or may not have happened thousands of years ago as their ONLY credential to invade Palestine. These episodes whether they were true or not, are irrelevant. Even if we to accept the Gentile Jews arguments then:

Turkey can claim Palestine.
England can claim Palestine.
Italy can claim Palestine.
Arabs can claim Palestine.
Greece can claim Palestine.
Assyrians can claim Palestine
Etc...............
That is a mayhem!
The only people who can claim Palestine are its indigenous people, people who, lived there for thousands of years. People who are the decedents of groups such as, Canaanites, Chaldeans, Akkadians, Assyrians, Aramaeans, Ammonites, Hittites, Arabs etc. who collectively lived in a homogeneous society called Palestine. Some Palestinians adopted Judaism, other adopted Christianity, Islam etc. but the fact remains that religions were a part of the culture and not the culture itself.
Gentile Jews and their supporters have worked for decades to claim “ownership” of the land. Their claim was based on several baseless hypothesises.


http://gentilejew.com/myths_4.htm

Myth One: God granted Palestine to the Jews

Religions, in general, were created by social reformers during a special period for specific purpose(s). Each religion claims that its teachings are the “real” or “right” and every other religious teaching are “false”. Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism etc. had their corresponding Gods and Chosen Peoples.
God has never been and can not ever be a “land lord”, a “real estate” agent, or a “property developer” etc. This earthly activity is performed by merchants and businessmen!. God loves all people and doesn’t have real estate, county or national boundaries. Otherwise, Muslims can claim Spain, Christians claim Rome, and Buddhists claim India and Pakistan etc. The Jewish God can not have a real estate deed which is passable to future generations that choose to follow His teachings.
Further, each God endeavours to reward or punish his own followers. The followers of God “A” (for example) are obliged to follow the teachings of God “A”, the followers of Gods "B", "C", "D" etc follow the teachings of their corresponding Gods. One God's promises to His people are not obligatory to other Gods' followers!
Since the three main monotheistic religions claim the same "Holy Land". Three have "proofs", "verses", "doctrines" etc to claim ownership, then it is logical to ignore all three claims and award the land to its people. Like France to the French, England to the English, China to the Chinese and Palestine for the Palestinians.
Gentile Jews have always tried to confuse spiritual promise with a materialistic and racist objective.
The following statements enforce this concept:
"Why should the Arabs make peace? If I was an Arab leader, I would never make terms with Israel. That is natural: we have taken their country. Sure, [our] God promised it to us, but what does that matter to them? Our God is not theirs, We come from Israel, it's true, but two thousand years ago, and what is that to them? There has been anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They only see one thing: we came here and stole their country. Why should they accept that?" David Ben-Gurion, quoted in "The Jewish Paradox" by Nathan Goldman, former president of the World Jewish Congress.
"Zionism's 'historical right' to Palestine was neither historical nor a right. It was not historical inasmuch as it voided the two millennia of non-Jewish settlement in Palestine and the two millennia of Jewish settlement outside it. It was not a right, except in the Romantic 'mysticism' of 'blood and soil' and the Romantic 'cult' of 'death, heroes and graves'... "The claim of Jewish 'homelessness is founded on a cluster of assumptions that both negates the liberal idea of citizenship and duplicates the anti-Semitic one that the state belongs to the majority ethnic nation. In a word, the Zionist case for a Jewish state is as valid as the anti-Semitic case for an ethnic state that marginalizes Jews." Professor Norman Finkelstein, "Image and Reality of the Israel-Palestine Conflict,"

Conclusion: God(s) are not in the business of real estate.

Myth Two: Religion is a Race

Religion can not be a race. Race has specific ingredients such as colour, shape and other distinguish cultural and historical characteristics. All religious teachings have attempted to break the concept of race and promote the concept of humanity.
To look at this point further let us take an example. Spain a prosperous country and is a vital part of the European Community. What if Muslims, say, from more than 82 countries, decided to immigrate illegally to Spain? Supported by USA, say, they push the local inhabitants toward Francs, Portugal and other countries. Claiming that Muslims were there once!
Naturally this will not be acceptable to any nation or individual. The right of land or country is not defined by a God or religions rather such right belongs to the continuous existence inhabitations of Spain.
This scenario is not acceptable in the case of Spain, neither it should be acceptable in the case of Palestine.
The followers of the Jewish faith like the followers of Islamic, Christians and any other faith have an equal right to Palestine. In fact Palestine has had, for thousands of years, various ethnic or tribal groups of people who over the centuries assimilated into the Palestinian Society.
Groups such as, Canaanites, Chaldeans, Akkadians, Assyrians, Aramaeans, Ammorites, Hittites, Arabs etc. collectively lived in a homogeneous society called Palestine. Some of them adopted Judaism, other adopted Christianity, Islam etc. but the fact remains that religions were a part of the culture and not the culture itself.

In a book entitled "Races in Europe", the author, William Z. Ripley, states under ethnology:
"The findings of physical anthropology show that contrary to all popular view, there is no "Jewish" race. "Our conclusion then is final. It is paradoxical yet true, we affirm. The Jews are not a race, but only a people after all."
Perhaps it can be understood why this is. The World Book Encyclopedia states:
"The Jews were once a sub-type of the Mediterranean race, but they have mixed with other peoples until the name Jew has lost all racial meaning."


Conclusion: Nationhood contains religions followed by its inhabitants, and no one religion can claim nationhood.

Myth Three: All “Jews” are Semitic

This hypothesis is partially true. First let us established who is a Semite and who is not.
Semites are the direct descendent of Abraham and his sons. Arabs are the senior members of the Semitic tribe as they were the sons and daughters of Ishmael. Hebrews are also Semitic as they were the decedents of Isaac. The Arabs and Hebrews are blood brothers and are both Semitic.
By definition, Hebrews “inherent” their Semitic title through birth and not through adoption or conversion. In other words you have to be born into the Jewish faith.
Over 90% of the illegal occupants of “Zionist Enclave” are of Khazari origin (Gentile Jews). These East Europeans who converted to Judaism were not descendent of Abraham are therefore are not Semitic, they are gentile. Hence, the term we use to describe them “Gentile Jews”.
Since the majority of people in modern Palestine and the world who call themselves "Jews" are descendants from a "Turko-Mongolian tribal people" known as Khazars, and have "little or no trace of Semitic blood in them," the word anti-Semitic, as applied to Jews, is meaningless. The Gentile Jews are genetically more related to Hun, Uigur and Magyar tribes than to Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses etc.

Conclusion: Ironically, the term anti-Semitic, so often used to label critics of Israel, is a misnomer; European Jews (Gentile Jews) are the true anti-Semites in Zionist Enclave.

Myth Four: Palestine was an empty land
Like all Syria, Palestine had never been “land without people”. On the contrary it has always been the busiest pieces of land on earth.
'There was no such thing as Palestinians, they never existed.' (Golda Meir Israeli Prime Minister June 15, 1969)
We may look at this above myth by reading the following quotes:
"We came to this country which was already populated by Arabs, and we are establishing a Hebrew, that is a Jewish, state here...Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages...There is not a single community in the country that did not have a former Arab population." Israeli leader, Moshe Dayan, quoted in Benjamin Beit-Hallahmi's "Original Sins."
And…
"Britain's high commissioner for Palestine, John Chancellor, recommended total suspension of Jewish immigration and land purchase to protect Arab agriculture. He said 'all cultivable land was occupied; there is no cultivable land now in possession of the indigenous population could be sold to Jews without creating a class of landless Arab cultivators'...The Colonial Office rejected the recommendation." John Quigley, "Palestine and Israel: A Challenge to Justice."
More …
"One can imagine an argument for the right of a persecuted minority to find refuge in another country able to accommodate it; one is hard-pressed, however, to imagine an argument for the right of a peaceful minority to politically and perhaps physically displace the indigenous population of another country. Yet...the latter was the actual intention of the Zionist movement." Norman Finkelstein, "Image and Reality of the Israel-Palestine Conflict."
And More…
"Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist, not only do the books not exists, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushu'a in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not one single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab Population." Moshe Dayan in an Address to the Technion, Haifa (as quoted in Ha'aretz, April 4, 1969)
The claim that Palestine was an underdeveloped and vacant is a false claim, as recent archaeological digs have provided evidence that Jerusalem was a big and fortified city already in 1800 BCE...Findings show that the sophisticated water system heretofore attributed to the conquering Hebrews pre-dated them by eight centuries and was even more sophisticated than imagined...Dr. Ronny Reich, who directed the excavation along with Eli Shuikrun, said the entire system was built as a single complex by Canaanites in the Middle Bronze Period, around 1800 BCE." The Jewish Bulletin, July 31st, 1998.

Conclusion: Palestine, like the rest of Syria has never been "vacant", in fact Syria houses the most number of continuously occupied cities!

Gentile Jews Bought the Land
In 1858, while Palestine and the rest of Syria were under the Turkish occupation, Istanbul issued a land code referred to as “The Ottoman Land Code”. That was made it compulsory for the land “owners” to register their holdings in their own names, most of which had never previously been registered and which had formerly been treated according to traditional forms of land tenure.
Farmers assumed that their fields were own by them, as their fathers and grandfathers had the land before them. The new law meant that for the first time a peasant could be deprived not of title to his land, which he had rarely held, or even seen, before, but rather of the right to live on it, cultivates it and pass it on to his heirs, which had formerly been inalienable...
Under the provisions of the 1858 law, communal rights of tenure were often ignored...Instead, members of the upper classes, adept at manipulating or circumventing the legal process, registered large areas of land as theirs...
The peasants naturally considered the land to be theirs, and often discovered that they had ceased to be the legal owners only when the land was sold, by an absentee landlord, to the new Gentile Jews settlers.
Not only was the land being purchased; its Arab cultivators were being dispossessed and replaced by foreigners who had overt political objectives in Palestine.
The Gentile Jews and the “landlords” would have made most of the so called sales in Turkey and Europe, without taking any consideration of the land farmers and their families who had been there for centuries. In fact most of the “landlords” had never seen the land in Palestine, as they were gifted the land from the Turkish authorities.
Even taking the 1858 code into consideration, the unjust acquisition of the Palestinian land, the Gentile Jews could only claim “ownership” to about 6% of Palestine in 1948, at the moment that Zionist Enclave was declared as a state!
Thus when the partition plan was announced in 1947 it included land held illegally by Jews, which was incorporated as a fait accompli inside the borders of the Zionist Enclave. And after Zionist Enclave announced its statehood, an impressive series of laws legally assimilated huge tracts of Arab land (whose proprietors had become refugees, and were pronounced 'absentee landlords' in order to expropriate their lands and prevent their return under any circumstances)." Edward Said, "The Question of Palestine."


Conclusion: In 1948, the Gentile Jews were unable to “own” more than 6% of Palestine!

Yishai Kohen said...

Of course there's no such thing as "Palestine". It's an objective fact.

As to the Jews, as we already know, you are totally ignorant. First of all, a convert, one who joins the nation of Israel, is a Jew just like anyone else.

In fact, by YOUR messed-up logic, King David himself wouldn't be considered a Jew (or the messiah, who will come from him!), because his ancestor was Ruth the Moabite.

Nothwithstanding that silliness on your part, as we ALL know from genetics studies, Ashkenazim aren't Khazars. They are genetically almost the same as Sepharadim:

"Genetic Evidence Links Jews To Their Ancient Tribe"

Genetic evidence continues to provide additional proof to the claims that the Jewish people are descended from a common ancient Israelite father: Despite being separated for over 1,000 years, Sephardi Jews of North African origin are genetically indistinguishable from their brethren from Iraq, according to The Hebrew University of Jerusalem.

They also proved that Sephardi Jews are very close genetically to the Jews of Kurdistan, and only slight differences exist between these two groups and Ashkenazi Jews from Europe.

These conclusions are reached in an article published recently in the American Journal of Human Genetics and written by Prof. Ariella Oppenheim of the Hebrew University (HU) and Hadassah-University Hospital in Ein Kerem.

Others involved are German doctoral student Almut Nebel, Dr. Marina Faerman of HU, Dr. Dvora Filon of Hadassah-University Hospital, and other colleagues from Germany and India.

The researchers conducted blood tests of Ashkenazi, Sephardi and Kurdish Jews and examined their Y chromosomes, which are carried only by males. They then compared them with those of various Arab groups - Palestinians, Beduins, Jordanians, Syrians and Lebanese - as well as to non-Arab populations from Transcaucasia - Turks, Armenians and Moslem Kurds.

The study is based on 526 Y chromosomes typed by the Israeli team and additional data on 1,321 individuals from 12 populations. The typing of the Jewish groups was performed at the National Genome Center at HU's Silberman Institute of Life Sciences.

The Fertile Crescent of the Middle East was one of the few centers in which the transition from hunting-gathering to permanent settlement and agriculture took place. Genetic studies suggest that migrating Neolithic farmers dispersed their technological innovations and domesticated animals from the Middle East towards Europe, North Africa and Southwest Asia.

Studies of Y chromosomes have become powerful tools for the investigation of the genetic history of males, since these chromosomes are transmitted from fathers to sons.

Surprisingly, the study shows a closer genetic affinity by Jews to the non-Jewish, non-Arab populations in the northern part of the Middle East than to Arabs. These findings are consistent with known cultural links that existed among populations in the Fertile Crescent in early history, and indicate that the Jews are direct descendants of the early Middle Eastern core populations, which later divided into distinct ethnic groups speaking different languages.

Previous investigations by the HU researchers suggested a common origin for Jewish and non-Jewish populations living in the Middle East. The current study refines and delineates that connection.

It is believed that the majority of today's Jews - not including converts and non-Jews with whom Jews intermarried - descended from the ancient Israelis that lived in the historic Land of Israel until the destruction of the Second Temple and their dispersal into the Diaspora.

The researchers say that a genetic analysis of the chromosomes of Jews from various countries show that there was practically no genetic intermixing between them and the host populations among which they were scattered during their dispersion - whether in Eastern Europe, Spain, Portugal or North Africa.

A particularly intriguing case illustrating this is that of the Kurdish Jews, said to be the descendants of the Ten Tribes of Israel who were exiled in 723 BCE. to the area known today as Kurdistan, located in Northern Iraq, Iran and Eastern Turkey. They continued to live there as a separate entity until their immigration to Israel in the 1950s. The Kurdish Jews of today show a much greater affinity to their fellow Jews elsewhere than to the Kurdish Moslems.

Yishai Kohen said...

You can also see these:

The original article in The American Journal of Human Genetics

and

"Jewish And Middle Eastern Non-Jewish Populations Share A Common Pool Of Y-Chromosome Biallelic Haplotypes"

...The results support the hypothesis that the paternal gene pools of Jewish communities from Europe, North Africa, and the Middle East descended from a common Middle Eastern ancestral population, and suggest that most Jewish communities have remained relatively isolated from neighboring non-Jewish communities during and after the Diaspora....

Evidence for Common Jewish Origins.

...Several lines of evidence support the hypothesis that Diaspora Jews from Europe, Northwest Africa, and the Near East resemble each other more closely than they resemble their non-Jewish neighbors.... First, six of the seven Jewish populations analyzed here formed a relatively tight cluster in the MDS analysis...

Second, despite their high degree of geographic dispersion, Jewish populations from Europe, North Africa, and the Near East were less diverged genetically from each other than any other group of populations in this study (Table 2). The statistically significant correlation between genetic and geographic distances in our non-Jewish populations from Europe, the Middle East, and North Africa is suggestive of spatial differentiation, whereas the lack of such a correlation for Jewish populations is more compatible with a model of recent dispersal and subsequent isolation during and after the Diaspora...

In summary, the combined results suggest that a major portion of NRY biallelic diversity present in most of the contemporary Jewish communities surveyed here traces to a common Middle Eastern source population several thousand years ago. The implication is that this source population included a large number of distinct paternal and maternal lineages, reflecting genetic variation established in the Middle East at that time. In turn, this source diversity has been maintained within Jewish communities, despite numerous migrations during the Diaspora and long-term residence as isolated subpopulations in numerous geographic locations outside of the Middle East.

Yishai Kohen said...

Today's Palestinians are immigrants from many nations: "Balkans, Greeks, Syrians, Latins, Egyptians, Turks, Armenians, Italians, Persians, Kurds, Germans, Afghans, Circassians, Bosnians, Sudaneese, Samaritans, Algerians, Motawila, Tartars, Hungarians, Scots, Navarese, Bretons, English, Franks, Ruthenians, Bohemians, Bulgarians, Georgians, Syrians, Persian Nestorians, Indians, Copts, Maronites, and many others."
(DeHass, History, p. 258. John of Wurzburg list from Reinhold Rohricht edition, pp. 41, 69).

There are villages populated wholly by settlers from other portions of the Turkish Empire in the 19th century. There are villages of Bosnians, Circassians, and Egyptians.
-Parkes, James William, History of the Peoples of Palestine, Hammondsworth, Great Britain, 1970, p. 212.

There are very large contingents from the Mediterranean countries, especially Armenia, Greece, and Italy, Turkomen settlers, a fairly large Afghan colony, Motawila, immigrants from Persia, tribes of Kurds, a Bosnian colony, Circassian settlements, a large Algerian element, Sudanese...
-Encyclopedia Brittanica, 1911 ed.

[Ibrahim Pasha, the 1831 Egyptian conquerer of Palestine] "left behind him permanent colonies of Egyptians at Besian, Nablus, Irbid, Acre, and Jaffa. Into Jaffa alone, "at least 2,000 people have been imported."
-Ernst Frankenstein, Justice For My People, London, Nicholson and Watson, 1943, p. 127.

In 1860, entire Algerian tribes immigrated en masse to Safed. The Muslims of Safed, are "mostly descended from these Moorish settlers and from Kurds that came earlier to the city."
-De Haas, Jacob, History of Palestine, The Last Two Thousand Years, New York, 1934, p. 425.

"I learn of the arrival of about 6,000 of the Beni Sukhr Arabs at Tiberias who are very seldom seen this side of the Jordan."
-British Consul James Finn in apers Relating to the Distubances in Syria, no. 2, June 1860, p. 35.

After 1870, "the [Turkish] forward policy included...the planting of Circassian colonies in the country."
-Smith, CG in Studies on Palestine During the Ottoman Period, Jerusalem, 1975, p. 93.

"The Arabs would have sat in the dark forever had not the Zionist engineers harnessed the Jordan river for electrification. Now they swarm into Palestine in seeking the light."
- Winston Churchill, 1922 "A Peace to End All Peace"

"This illegal [Arab] immigration was not only going on from the Sinai, but also from Transjordan and Syria, and it is very difficult to make a case out for the misery of the Arabs if at the same time their compatriots from adjoining states could not be kept from going in to share that misery."
-Palestine Royal Commission Report, London: 1937

"So far from being persecuted, the Arabs have crowded into the country and multiplied until their population has increased more than even all world Jewry could lift up the Jewish population."
-Winston Churchill, 1939.

This is why such last names as al-Masri (the Egyptian,), al-Djazair (the Algerian), el-Mughrabi (the Moroccan), al-Yamani (the Yemenite) and even al-Afghani are so common among those claiming to be "Palestinians."

"There is no language known as Palestinian. There is no distinct Palestinian culture. There has never been a land known as Palestine governed by Palestinians. Palestinians are Arabs, indistinguishable from Jordanians (another recent invention), Syrians, Lebanese, Iraqis, etc. Keep in mind that the Arabs control 99.9 percent of the Middle East lands. Israel represents one-tenth of 1 percent of the landmass.

But that's too much for the Arabs. They want it all. And that is ultimately what the fighting in Israel is about today. Greed. Pride. Envy. Covetousness. No matter how many land concessions the Israelis make, it will never be enough."

Joseph Farah, Arab-American journalist, editor and CEO of WorldNet Daily

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aranki said...

Joseph Farah, can hardly be called an expert, he runs an internet tabloid (WorldNet Daily) geared to generate money from Christian Zionists and Fundamentalists; His web site is nothing more than a collection of links to neoconservative Muslim hate sites and Zionist publications. Its also funny how Winston Churchill a known anti-Semite is quoted. Winston Churchill supported the Zionists in their colonization of Palestine because he wanted the Jews out of England and Europe. But of course, Zionists would team with anyone to get their goals. That’s why during the dark days of Nazi rule in Germany the only flags that were allowed to fly over Germany were the Nazi Swastika and the Zionist Flag. (5. German Zionism Offers to Collaborate with Nazism http://www.marxists.de/middleast/brenner/ch05.htm) Documented historical Facts Do yourself a favor and check the sources.


Now as far as Palestine ever being vacant as the Zionists claim, You got to be kidding. Palestine is the cross roads between Asia, Africa, and Europe, it was never VACANT. History is clear, the Canaanites, Chaldeans, Akkadians, Assyrians, Aramaeans, Ammorites, Hittites, Arabs, lived in Palestine. Even some remnants of the crusaders are now part of this Palestinian mosaic. Palestinians of the Jewish Faith were never a majority in Palestine. During the time of Jesus, Jews were a minority in Palestine. Jesus spoke Aramaic NOT Hebrew. The spoken language in Palestine under Roman rule was Aramaic, NOT Hebrew indicating that Jews were not the majority even then and that Roman rule went on for a thousand years.

May be you should read Moshe Dian’s quote below. I know he was an authority on Zionist matters.
"Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist, not only do the books not exists, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushu'a in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not one single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab Population." Moshe Dayan in an Address to the Technion, Haifa (as quoted in Ha'aretz, April 4, 1969)

The claim that Palestine was an underdeveloped and vacant is a false claim, as recent archaeological digs have provided evidence that Jerusalem was a big and fortified city already in 1800 BCE...Findings show that the sophisticated water system heretofore attributed to the conquering Hebrews pre-dated them by eight centuries and was even more sophisticated than imagined...Dr. Ronny Reich, who directed the excavation along with Eli Shuikrun, said the entire system was built as a single complex by Canaanites in the Middle Bronze Period, around 1800 BCE." The Jewish Bulletin, July 31st, 1998.
Conclusion: Palestine, like the rest of Syria has never been "vacant", in fact Syria houses the most number of continuously occupied cities!

Yishai Kohen said...

Farah is obviously correct:

They would have had a state in 1937 with the Peel Plan, but they violently rejected it.

They would have had a state in 1948 with UN 181, but they violently rejected it (and actually claimed that the UN had no such mandate!).

They could have had a state in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza from 1948-1967 without any Jews- because the Arabs had ethnically cleansed every last one; but they violently rejected it. In fact, that's exactly when they established Fatah (1959) and thre PLO (1964).

They could have had a state after 1967, but instead, the entire Arab world issued the Khartoum Resolutions:

A. No peace with Israel
B. No recognition of Israel
C. No negotiations with Israel

They would have had a state in 2000 with the Oslo Accords, but they violently rejected it- as always.

No more. They won't have a state here, and if they don't stop their violence, they won't even exist here anymore. They will have to go to their own land; Jordan.

And you can take that to the bank- the EAST Bank.

Yishai Kohen said...

As to Dayan's "quote", it's obviously just another Arrab fabrication- a lie. How do we know? Simple:

* Nahlal: Established in 1921

* Kibbutz Gvat: Established in 1926

* Kibbutz Sarid: Established in 1926

* Kfar Yehoshua: Established in 1927

>נ<* The state of Israel: Re-established in 1948>.נ<

Unless you now claim that Great Britain, who ruled over the land of Israel then, was somehow involved.

If you claim that, then prove it.

Yishai Kohen said...

And let's see what those who were here had to say (you do know that there were only some 5000 Muslims in Jerusalem at the time of the 1st Ottoman census- right?)

"A desolate country whose soil is rich enough, but is given over wholly to weeds -- a silent mournful expanse.... A desolation.... We never saw a human being on the whole route.... hardly a tree or shrub anywhere. Even the olive and the cactus, those fast friends of a worthless soil, had almost deserted the country."

AND

"Palestine sits in sackcloth and ashes. Over it broods the spell of a curse that has withered its fields and fettered its energies.... Palestine is desolate and unlovely.... It is a hopeless, dreary, heartbroken land."

- From Innocents Abroad, by Mark Twain, regarding the Land of Israel when he visited in 1867.

"Now the district is quite deserted, and you ride among what seem to be so many petrified waterfalls. We saw no animals moving among the stony brakes; scarcely even a dozen little birds in the whole course of the ride."

- William Thackeray in From Jaffa To Jerusalem, 1844

"The country is in a considerable degree empty of inhabitants and therefore its greatest need is that of a body of population."

- The British consul in Palestine, James Finn, 1857

"Virtually the only local people we encountered were merchantmen with their long camel trains and wild Bedouin tribes that reside in one locality not more than two months."

- H. Allen Tupper Jr. writing in the New York Times in 1896, after having “ridden on horseback more than four hundred miles through Palestine and Syria”

"We found it inhabited by fellahin who lived in mud hovels and suffered severely from the prevalent malaria.... Large areas...were uncultivated.... The fellahin, if not themselves cattle thieves, were always ready to harbor these and other criminals. The individual plots...changed hands annually. There was little public security, and the fellahin's lot was an alternation of pillage and blackmail by their neighbors, the Bedouin."

- Lewis French, the British Director of Development - early 1900's

"There are many proofs, such as ancient ruins, broken aqueducts, and remains of old roads, which show that it has not always been so desolate as it seems now. In the portion of the plain between Mount Carmel and Jaffa one sees but rarely a village or other sights of human life. There are some rude mills here that are turned by the stream. A ride of half an hour more brought us to the ruins of the ancient city of Cזsarea, once a city of two hundred thousand inhabitants, and the Roman capital of Palestine, but now entirely deserted.

As the sun was setting we gazed upon the desolate harbor, once filled with ships, and looked over the sea in vain for a single sail. In this once crowded mart, filled with the din of traffic, there was the silence of the desert. After our dinner we gathered in our tent as usual to talk over the incidents of the day, or the history of the locality. Yet it was sad, as I laid upon my couch at night, to listen to the moaning of the waves and to think of the desolation around us."

-B. W. Johnson, in Young Folks in Bible Lands: Chapter IV, 1892.

Want more?

aranki said...

You are like the biker who after waking up in the hospital from an accident still refused to believe that he was hit by a truck. The Biker was asked how the accident happened, so he says, “I was riding at night and I saw two bikers coming at me in a very tight formation. I wanted to prove to them that I’m a better rider so I aimed for the dark spot in the middle.” Well buddy that was a TRUCK not two Bikes close to gather.

So you say the Moshe Dian quote is an Arab fabrication maybe you want to look up this Arab fabrication in Ha'aretz, April 4, 1969 issue. That should settle it. And about these quotes from the travelers in the 1800s, well have you ever driven across the United states? I would say I can describe three quarters of the trip as “desolate and unlovely” well maybe “Unlovely” to Mark Twain but I think you and I can at least agree that it is lovely. So my good man, riding on a horse back in the 1800s through Palestine is hardly surprising that someone may get the sense that it’s empty. But you know it’s not true.

You must have immigrated to Palestine recently maybe with Lieberman from Russia. Do yourself a favor and visit some library or do a search on Palestinian History. Educate yourself it’s a shame that a man in this day and age can still insists on being stupid. If you think that Moshe Dian’s quote was a fabrication and not part of your history then it’s a waste of time to have a discussion with you. Know your history first, know where you came from then maybe then you can start learning about the people that you displaced.

BUT did you see the rally today in the large concentration camp of GAZA?? It warms my heart. I like your quote,


A. No peace with Israel
B. No recognition of Israel
C. No negotiations with Israel


You can change that to HELL NO, so “Israel” is going to be in Palestine for a hundred years?? Maybe two??.,,, come on the Remains stayed for 1000, the Turks for 400, the invading Israelites for 100.

Here is a good example for your education you silly man.

New Archaeological Find Could Revolutionize
Jerusalem History
JERUSALEM–New archaeological discoveries in the City of David area reveal that Jerusalem, a city revered as holy by Jews, Christians and Muslims, was first a major Canaanite fortress with a highly sophisticated water system at least 800 years before the biblical King David made it the capital of ancient Israel.
Archaeologists say the discovery is likely to revolutionize thinking about the history of Jerusalem, which traditionally was regarded as a minor hilltop outpost bereft of significant fortifications before David conquered the city around 1000 B.C.
It also may disappoint Jewish settlers who are reportedly planning to build a visitor’s center to illustrate the early Jewish history of Jerusalem above the Canaanite archaeological sites now under excavation. Over the past six years, the settlers have moved into homes in the adjacent Arab neighborhood of Silwan, claiming the City of David area is of rich Jewish significance.
“In effect, they'll have to show tourists the massive Canaanite water works from Jerusalem of that period – at least that’s what came out of the excavations,” Gideon Avny, chief Jerusalem district archaeologist of the Israel Antiquities, said in an interview July 22.

For Full view of the article: http://www.pcusa.org/pcnews/oldnews/1998/98245.htm

Hahahahah laughing in your face.

Yishai Kohen said...

The Arabs are like the guy who murders his parents and then cries fror mercy from the court on account of being an orphan.

Your speculation about the City of David is completely irrelevant.

1. It's only speculation.

2. It has no bearing on anything. My claim to MY Jerusalem has nothoing to do with that.

3. It has nothing to do with the modern-day Philistines, who are Johnny-come-latelies. Even under the Ottomans during the 1st census, there were only 5000 Muslims; fewer than the Jews.

4. THIS is what is relevant.

AND THIS.

aranki said...

I don’t get your quote about the Arabs, Arabs did not drive the Jews out of their homes and colonize their land, Arabs did not force Jews into concentration camps. The Nazis the Zionist, and the Zionist Christians did it, the real anti Semites. You got it all wrong it is the Zionist Terrorists of the Hagana and the Irquan that murdered and killed and stole Palestinian property and even culture. There is no need for the Arabs to cry for mercy. They are more than able to achieve their rights on their own all in due time.

My speculation about the city of David is no less completely irrelevant than your suggestion that Zionists have a right to Palestine due to religious and historic ties. Nothing is more irrelevant than that. The Palestinians ARE and will continue to be the rightful descendants of groups such as, Canaanites, Chaldeans, Akkadians, Assyrians, Aramaeans, Ammonites, Hittites, Hebrews, Arabs etc.

Your logic assumes (Falsely, and blatantly misleading) that between each historical event, Palestine was totally empty. That never was the reality of Palestine even when Abraham was thinking of leaving Ur. Did all the Canaanites disappear when David Killed Goliath? They disappeared as much as the Palestinian Refugees disappeared when the Zionists stole their land. The inhabitants learn to adapt and with time they too can be called “what ever the flavor of the century is” Canaanites, Chaldeans, Akkadians, Assyrians, Aramaeans, Ammonites, Hittites, Hebrews, Arabs etc

And lets assume that the racist Zionists were not bent on ethnic cleansing, the Palestinians with Israeli citizenship in due time will be called Israelis.

That’s why most villages (muslim villages) in Palestine are called Dair Yasine, Dair Dibwan, Dair …. Dair in Arabic means Monastery. The inhabitants of these villages and many others know their ancestry is of the Christian Faith. They know that because the Family Burial plots that they been using for centuries, when opened to bury deceased family members, they find crosses and wood and artifacts of Christian burials.

Hebron is another example, Every other family has names like Isac, Ishmail, Yacoub, Ibrahim, all Jewish and Christian names. These are family names that been in the family for generations and they want to keep them. So almost all of them now add the name Muhammad to it to make Muhammad Isac, or Muhammad Ishmail, etc. to show their current faith.

This my good man is the connection that the Palestinians have with their homeland. And no matter what you or your European forefathers say or do will ever change that.

aranki said...

These are the generations that was supposed to forget according to Ben-Gurion. Zionists don't ever dream that you will ever hold on to our homeland.

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Yishai Kohen said...

Of course you don't "get it".

Arabs DID ethnically cleanse the ancient Jewish community of Hebron- every last Jew.

Arabs DID ethnically cleanse the ancient Jewish community of Jerusalem's Old City- every last Jew.

And everywhere else in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza.

They also forced Jews to flee from throughout the Arab world- and the Arabs will have to compensate us for that.

We are righting your wrong by returning to OUR land, and you Arabs will just have to deal with that.

There will never be a Philistine state here in OUR land.

They would have had a state in 1937 with the Peel Plan, but they violently rejected it.

They would have had a state in 1948 with UN 181, but they violently rejected it (and actually claimed that the UN had no such mandate!).

They could have had a state in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza from 1948-1967 without any Jews- because the Arabs had ethnically cleansed every last one; but they violently rejected it. In fact, that's exactly when they established Fatah (1959) and thre PLO (1964).

They could have had a state after 1967, but instead, the entire Arab world issued the Khartoum Resolutions:

A. No peace with Israel
B. No recognition of Israel
C. No negotiations with Israel

They would have had a state in 2000 with the Oslo Accords, but they violently rejected it- as always.

No more. They won't have a state here, and if they don't stop their violence, they won't even exist here anymore. They will have to go to their own land; Jordan.

And you can take that to the bank- the EAST Bank.

aranki said...

It never ceases to amaze me the lies that you come up with. When the discussion is not going your way, you resort to lies. Jerusalem has 4 quarters, A Christian, A Muslim, a Jewish, and An Armenian. They lived in harmony until the Zionists attacked. Also the only event in history that you may point to is the Palestinian uprising of 1936, when in response to Zionist Terror through out Palestine the local population of Hebron attacked the Jews of the city. This did happen and only after Zionist Terror attacks. In today’s standards it could be called “Self defense” and in the aftermath of the events of 1948 we know now they where justified. So Fu… off and don’t play the victim here.

About the Jews leaving the Arab states, well its well documented by Zionists themselves that they instigated such migration. Here read this:

How Israel terrorized Iraqi Jews into leaving Iraq!

Excerpts from the book by David Hirst: The Gun and the Olive Branch, 1977, Futura Publications, ISBN 0 70888 1401 8
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1560254831/002-1951824-4126424?v=glance

This was the song which the Iraqi Jews used to sing. Nothing the rulers of Israel could do quelled the bitterness which the newcomers nurtured against them.

What did you do, Bengurion?
You smuggled in all of us!
Because of the past, we waived our citizenship
And came to Israel.
Would that we had come riding on a donkey and we
Hadn't arrived here yet!
Woe, what a black hour it was!
To hell with the plane that brought us here![47]


You can also read these quotes from

The One-State Solution

The Nation, October 11, 2003
http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20031103&s=lazare


Herzog wrote in the newspaper Ha'aretz in 1999, "The Israelites were never in Egypt, did not wander in the desert, did not conquer the land in a military campaign, and did not pass it on to the twelve tribes of Israel. Furthermore, the united monarchy of David and Solomon, which is described by the Bible as a regional power, was at most a small tribal kingdom." The Israelites were merely one indigenous culture among many. The idea that they had some sort of pre-eminent claim to the Holy Land has no basis in historical fact. Zionist archeology thus turns out to subvert Zionism.

Hertzberg writes, the guest of honor, David Ben-Gurion, arrived and proceeded to throw cold water over the festivities. By this point in his early 80s and living in retirement on a desert kibbutz, Ben-Gurion demanded that the speaker (who happened to be Hertzberg) cut short his remarks so he could take the podium. When he did, Ben-Gurion sternly told the party faithful that Israel was overextended, that it had bitten off more than it could chew and that it should return nearly all the conquered territory immediately. "The recent conquests were evoking dreams of grandeur that might be realized if the messiah were indeed about to appear," Hertzberg writes, summing up the ex-PM's remarks. Hertzberg wishes Israel had heeded Ben-Gurion's warning at the time. Thirty-six years later, Israel find itself saddled with a captive population it cannot control,

The difference between the Jews that left Arab countries and Palestinian refugees is Jews can go back and in some instances did go back, Also Jewish property in Iraq is still administered to by Jewish Aukaf, or Jewish Holding in Iraq. Jews who left Arab countries sold their property and left on their own. That can be easily proven. But the Palestinian property was outright stolen and the refugees are administered by the United Nations.

Come on now stop this

A. No peace with Israel
B. No recognition of Israel
C. No negotiations with Israel

I said it before and I say it again, WE AGREE,

HELL No peace with Israel
HELL No recognition of Israel
HELL No negotiations with Israel

Just read what Ben-Gurion and Arthur Hertzberg new when they went to their graves. Israel will be no more.

Yishai Kohen said...

They lived in harmony until the Zionists attacked.

Lie. They lived with tension and occassional Arab pogroms- like the one in Hebron in 1834, led by Abraim Pasha.

In fat, there wasn't even a Jewish defence group set up until the Arabs started with their serious violence:

After the 1920 Arab riots and 1921 Jaffa riots, the Jewish leadership in Palestine believed that the British (whom the League of Nations had given a mandate over Palestine in 1920) had no desire to confront local Arab gangs over their attacks on Palestinian Jews. Realizing that they could not rely on the British administration for protection from these gangs, the Jewish leadership created the Haganah to protect their farms and Kibbutzim. In addition to guarding Jewish communities, the role of the Haganah was to warn the residents of and repel attacks by Palestinian Arabs...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haganah

And in 1929, the Jews of Hebron REFUSED to even have the Haganah protect them from the Arabs, insisting that they trusted the A'yan (Arab notables) to protect them.

67 Jews were then brutally murdered and hundreds ethnically cleansed.

I said it before and I say it again, WE AGREE,

HELL No peace with Israel
HELL No recognition of Israel
HELL No negotiations with Israel


Fine with me. Time, justice, and history is on MY side.

Allah is on my side.

You will die and disappear, and we will continue to live and thrive in OUR land.

aranki said...

You bring a smile to my face because I know you do not believe what you say.

The events you pointed to only highlight what I have been saying, Arabs and Jews lived in harmony until the Zionist attached and made their intentions known of occupying Palestine and ethnically cleansing it of its indigenous population. Nearly Every Arab government that ruled the Fertile Crescent that included Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Palestine, and North Africa had a Jewish Minister (Wazeer) in it. It is a shame how Zionism destroyed all of that. For example, when the Othman government of Turkey committed their genocide on the Armenians and forced them to exile they were welcomed in all Arab counties. You do know that Armenians are of the Christian faith; they were protected and still have a vibrant presence through out the Middle East. If it was not for the Racism and fascism of Zionism, Jews escaping European anti-semitism would have been welcomed through out the Middle East. Morocco continues to be home to a sizable and active Jewish community.

THERE ARE NOT ONE SINGLE HISTORICAL INCIDENT that you or any Zionist can point to of Arab Jewish unrest before of the Racist-Fascist ideology of Zionism. When Zionism’s goals became clear tension and strife started, not before.

It is as much your land as the loot is a thief’s property.

Now about the Hagana and Irguan, History is clear about that also. Both Zionist organizations were the first Terrorist Organizations the world has known. The term “Terrorists” was coined by the British authorities in Palestine to describe the acts and actors of the Hagana and Irguan thugs. Go into any library and look at the books about that era, you will see WANTED pictures of Terrosists Manachim Begin and Yatzik Shamir posted.

“Time, justice and history” is on you side??? You got to be kidding. Man you are so warped, I feel sorry for you. Honest. I do.

Time??? With time, Israel will be either an apartheid state and will follow the example of South Africa. Be assured we will not rest until that happens.

Justice??? Tell that to the refugees who been living in camps for the past 60 years.

History??? Palestinian (Christian, Muslim, and Jewish) had same history and it is clear. Zionists like to re-write it with their own fantasies and Myths. http://gentilejew.com/myths_4.htm

Yishai Kohen said...

Of course I mean what I say; 100%. If there isn't going to be peace with us then the Philistines have only 2 options; leave or die.

It's that simple.

As to ethnic cleansing, how odd that there are 1 million Arab citizens of Israel today, but by the same token, any lands that the Arabs grabbed WERE ethnically cleansed of ALL Jews.

But then again, look what the Arab Muslims are doing to the Christians EVERYWHERE: Israel is the ONLY country around here where the Christian population is growing.

Under Muslim rule, it is shrinking- everywhere.

And like I proved to you, under Ottman rule, there WERE pogroms against the Jews- including BEFORE Zionism.

Arabs don't like truth because it is so against what you stand for.

And again, the Haganah and the Irgun were both establishd AFTER murderous Arabs riots.

The Haganah was established AFTER the murderous Arab riots of 1921.

The IZL was established AFTER the murderous Arab riots of 1929.

Time, justice, and history is on MY side.

Allah is on my side.

You will die and disappear, and we will continue to live and thrive in OUR land.